Wilt Chamberlain vs SHAQ

[Roundball_Rock]

1) Kareem
2) Russell
3) Jordan
4) Wilt
5) Shaq

[jongib369]

Proof of GOAT-strength!

He does look pretty damn big for his age

[DaRkJaWs]

And what they seem to have said to us this is this----Russel>Wilt. At least most of the experts that I read. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me about that, and I have a feeling some on this board would vehemently disagree.

I never believed in just looking at raw statistics which Wilt amassed. Stats aren't a be all or end all for me. Stats are highly flexible numbers that can change from one type of team to another. Wilt started winning and contending when he started producing less PPG. The point of playing basketball is to win, and not to produce stats. Some on this board love stats like it's the end in itself.

But to answer the OP, Shaq>Wilt but KAJ is the best of all time.

Oh, OF COURSE people from that time said Russell>Wilt. OF COURSE! they did. And then you go on to prove that by saying statistics aren't a be or end all, but of course if you were to watch any player today have great statistics you'd be fawning over them like crazy. People today still talk about Kevin Love as an awesome rebounder and still to this day bring up his 30 rebound game as proof. Good lord, that mofo only had one 30 rebound game and has very few 20 rebound games, while Wilt has so many 30-40-50 rebound games it boggles the mind. So it seems the only time stats don't matter is when we talk about Wilt, and cherry-picked stats matter if you want to prove whatever point it is you want to bring up. PATHETIC, people. Pathetic.

[DaRkJaWs]

Shaq was lucky the other team choked in 2 of those FOUR, COUNT THAT, 4 !!, CHAMPIONSHIPS he won. Shaq freely admits that the only reason the lakers won in 00 was because Portland choked, and he played a very small role in that 2006 victory over the Mavs, which was an epic choke job by the Mavs. and everyone now knows the Refs helped the Lakers in that game 7 Lakers vs. Kings game. So that's 3 championships that Shaq shouldn't have had, by all accounts, and we would be talking about the Loser shaq is having only won 1 championship, and how he got swept in 6 or 7 different playoffs and beaten 4-1 Twice. This from someone who is supposedly so dominant the other teams shake in fear. Yeah f****** right. So many teams have spat in Shaq's face and gotten away with it, it's pathetic. Meanwhile Poor Wilt lost by 1-4 points in 4 game 7s, and made it to the conference finals for 12 out of his 14 seasons and to the finals 6 times, and only got swept once while still being dominant in his last season in the league. Here is Wilt's Playoff record while losing, by year:
1960: 4-2 Celtics win (conf finals), 2 point loss to the Celtics in Game 6, badly injured his right shooting hand in game 3 or 4.
1961: 3-0 Nationals win (1st round), only time he got swept.
1962: 4-3 Celtics win (conf finals), by a game winning jumper by Sam Jones. Nobody expected Philly to win entering the playoffs.
1963: Only year he didn't make the playoffs, was on a terrible San Francisco team.
1964: 4-1 Celtics win in Finals.
1965: 4-3 Celtics win game 7 by 1 point (conf finals), Havlicek stole the ball.
1966: 4-1 Celtics win (conf finals), his team doesn't contribute.
1968: 4-3 Celtics win (conf finals), 4 point loss, Philly injured from top to bottom and contributed to why they lost.
1969: 4-3 Celtics win (finals), 2 point loss and although Van Breda Koff took him out, I would still put some blame on Wilt for simply playing badly due to the situation he was in and because he simply packed it in a little bit, let his teammates do all the dirty work other than rebounding.
1970: 4-3 Knicks win (finals), Wilt comes back from knee injury that was supposed to sideline him all year, took his 48 win Lakers team to game 7 vs. the 60+ win knicks.
1971: 4-1 Bucks win (conf finals), Wilt is a defensive powerhouse, but ultimately injuries and skill differential led to the Bucks beating Wilt and Lakers 4-1 in Conference Finals.
1973: 4-1 Knicks win (finals)(Key injuries limited players like West and Hairston, offensively Lakers didn't have enough to beat the Knicks, who only won by a few points in almost every game).

And just to put it on record, here is Shaqs losses:
92-93: Doesn't make playoffs.
93-94: SWEPT.
94-95: SWEPT, but does make it to the finals.
95-96: SWEPT.
96-97: Barely beat the Jazz in one game, lost 4-1.
97-98: SWEPT. JAZZ RAPE LAKERS BADLY.
98-99: SWEPT.
Again, he didn't lose in 00, but should have.
03: Can't pin blame on Shaq, but lost vs. the more powerful Spurs.
04: Lost 4-1 vs. Pistons, Shaq is anything but the dominating force his fans make him out to be, although the rest of the team doesn't help either.
05: Lost 4-3.
07: SWEPT vs. a pathetic Bulls team.
08 on: too pitiful to mention, Longevity that Wilt had Shaq didn't even have close to having.

Shaq was good, but the most dominant force? Forget about it. Only young, stupid fans would say such stupid things.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Shaq was lucky the other team choked in 2 of those FOUR, COUNT THAT, 4 !!, CHAMPIONSHIPS he won. Shaq freely admits that the only reason the lakers won in 00 was because Portland choked, and he played a very small role in that 2006 victory over the Mavs, which was an epic choke job by the Mavs. and everyone now knows the Refs helped the Lakers in that game 7 Lakers vs. Kings game. So that's 3 championships that Shaq shouldn't have had, by all accounts, and we would be talking about the Loser shaq is having only won 1 championship, and how he got swept in 6 or 7 different playoffs and beaten 4-1 Twice. This from someone who is supposedly so dominant the other teams shake in fear. Yeah f****** right. So many teams have spat in Shaq's face and gotten away with it, it's pathetic. Meanwhile Poor Wilt lost by 1-4 points in 4 game 7s, and made it to the conference finals for 12 out of his 14 seasons and to the finals 6 times, and only got swept once while still being dominant in his second season in the league. Here is Wilt's Playoff record while losing, by year:
1960: 4-2 Celtics win (conf finals), 2 point loss to the Celtics in Game 6, badly injured his right shooting hand in game 3 or 4.
1961: 3-0 Nationals win (1st round), only time he got swept.
1962: 4-3 Celtics win (conf finals), by a game winning jumper by Sam Jones. Nobody expected Philly to win entering the playoffs.
1963: Only year he didn't make the playoffs, was on a terrible San Francisco team.
1964: 4-1 Celtics win in Finals.
1965: 4-3 Celtics win game 7 by 1 point (conf finals), Havlicek stole the ball.
1966: 4-1 Celtics win (conf finals), his team doesn't contribute.
1968: 4-3 Celtics win (conf finals), 4 point loss, Philly injured from top to bottom and contributed to why they lost.
1969: 4-3 Celtics win (finals), 2 point loss and although Van Breda Koff took him out, I would still put some blame on Wilt for simply playing badly due to the situation he was in and because he simply packed it in a little bit, let his teammates do all the dirty work other than rebounding.
1970: 4-3 Knicks win (finals), Wilt comes back from knee injury that was supposed to sideline him all year, took his 48 win Lakers team to game 7 vs. the 60+ win knicks.
1971: 4-1 Bucks win (conf finals), Wilt is a defensive powerhouse, but ultimately injuries and skill differential led to the Bucks beating Wilt and Lakers 4-1 in Conference Finals.
1973: 4-1 Knicks win (finals)(Key injuries limited players like West and Hairston, offensively Lakers didn't have enough to beat the Knicks, who only won by a few points in almost every game).

And just to put it on record, here is Shaqs losses:
92-93: Doesn't make playoffs.
93-94: SWEPT.
94-95: SWEPT, but does make it to the finals.
95-96: SWEPT.
96-97: Barely beat the Jazz in one game, lost 4-1.
97-98: SWEPT. JAZZ RAPE LAKERS BADLY.
98-99: SWEPT.
Again, he didn't lose in 00, but should have.
03: Can't pin blame on Shaq, but lost vs. the more powerful Spurs.
04: Lost 4-1 vs. Pistons, Shaq is anything but the dominating force his fans make him out to be, although the rest of the team doesn't help either.
05: Lost 4-3.
07: SWEPT vs. a pathetic Bulls team.
08 on: too pitiful to mention, Longevity that Wilt had Shaq didn't even have close to having.

Shaq was good, but the most dominant force? Forget about it. Only young, stupid fans would say such stupid things.

and yet shaq has 2x the rings

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Shaq > Wilt and it's not even close.

[DaRkJaWs]

and yet shaq has 2x the rings

For those like you that didn't get it and is trolling: he got extremely lucky, wilt extremely unlucky.

[feyki]

Thread was about Wilt vs Shaq . But arguements only on scoring .

Shaq was better scorer . Wilt had some lack of offensive skills . He had no smooth post moves or quick and quality footwork and with good handling , like Shaq . But he had great fadeaway in low post .

Wilt's scoring records came in run n gun basketball . He struggled on scoring a lot of times at playoffs . Cause he had no space , like he had in season . And finally , he got understand he wasn't effective with high scoring volume . He turned the more versatile player . Defence and playmaking . He had highest energy and stamina in nba history . 7-8 wingspan , around 37 inches vertical , again around 4.7 , 4.8 .. 40 Yard . His physicality made him comfortably on the court whatever he want , i mean all around play , rebounding , defensive domination , feed his teammates etc ..

Wilt's greatness was about all around talent , not scoring records .

[CavaliersFTW]

Thread was about Wilt vs Shaq . But arguements only on scoring .

Shaq was better scorer . Wilt had some lack of offensive skills . He had no smooth post moves or quick and quality footwork and with good handling , like Shaq . But he had great fadeaway in low post .

Wilt's scoring records came in run n gun basketball . He struggled on scoring a lot of times at playoffs . Cause he had no space , like he had in season . And finally , he got understand he wasn't effective with high scoring volume . He turned the more versatile player . Defence and playmaking . He had highest energy and stamina in nba history . 7-8 wingspan , around 37 inches vertical , again around 4.7 , 4.8 .. 40 Yard . His physicality made him comfortably on the court whatever he want , i mean all around play , rebounding , defensive domination , feed his teammates etc ..

Wilt's greatness was about all around talent , not scoring records .

Retard status post. But this is Insidehoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOB8BZmWHOs

[feyki]

Retard status post. But this is Insidehoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOB8BZmWHOs

Where's the smooth post,footwork moves and elite handling ?

But yes , this is insidehoops . I'm dumb,retard or don't know basketball when said bad thing(for them) on their favorite player .

[CavaliersFTW]

Where's the smooth post,footwork moves and elite handling ?

But yes , this is insidehoops . I'm dumb,retard or don't know basketball when said bad thing(for them) on their favorite player .

It takes a special kind of moron to criticize steph currys 3 point shooting ability.

Exact same kind of moron to criticize Wilt Chamberlain in the post.

[warriorfan]

Retard status post. But this is Insidehoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOB8BZmWHOs

look at these ultra athletic white dudes he is up against

changed my mind, wilt is GOAT

[feyki]

It takes a special kind of moron to criticize steph currys 3 point shooting ability.

Exact same kind of moron to criticize Wilt Chamberlain in the post.

Or you have bias . Open your eyes ..

[Horatio33]

Or you have bias . Open your eyes ..

Nah, the guy that runs the Wilt Chamberlain Achieve can't be biased.

[feyki]

Nah, the guy that runs the Wilt Chamberlain Achieve can't be biased.