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"3 is greater than 2"
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Imagine if Stockton had won 2 MVPs in the 90s during Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley and Malone's prime.
He never could have, because he wasn't as good as Nash.
Nash is the best passer ever and is largely responsible for how the game is played today, get over it!
There is a reason Steve was on stage during Curry's MVP speech.
The torch has been passed!
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NBA Legend
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Imagine if Stockton had won 2 MVPs in the 90s during Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley and Malone's prime.
Stockton could never have done what Nash did with the Suns when Amare went down. Stockton needed a scorer along side him always. Nash needed finishers.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Stockton was an excellent shooter...he could have scored so much more but he was the epitome of selfless as a point guard.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
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Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
The league ALTERED THE RULES to make life easier for players like Nash and Curry! Just ask Steve Kerr:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs
Stockton played in the land of the giants against Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley, Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq etc... And held his own in a lethal and physical era.
Nash in the 1980's is not a top 20 players and would've been coming of the bench for ANY of the title winners in that decade!
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
So basically you're making assumptions about games you never even watched? Show some video proof of Stockton getting assists he didn't deserve.
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Local High School Star
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by CuterThanRubio
One of the comments made by "Magic Johnson's T-Cells"
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GOAT
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Sarcastic
So basically you're making assumptions about games you never even watched? Show some video proof of Stockton getting assists he didn't deserve.
OP has an agenda against Old School players.
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Seething...
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Young X
Have you ever factored in that Stockton's teammates shot the ball better at home than on the road?
Jesus Christ this. Some of you kids try so hard to discredit past eras and to talk about sh't you don't know nothing about. Go outside and pick up a bball.
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Good High School Starter
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Stockton may have looked the host of a children's TV program but played as dirty as one of Suge Knight's body guards. Eff his legacy.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
the only job john stockton would have with a professional basketball team today would be in their corporate office.
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Good High School Starter
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by tpols
the only job john stockton would have with a professional basketball team today would be in their corporate office.
You went too far again Zeke.
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Nash homer
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Showtime80'
The league ALTERED THE RULES to make life easier for players like Nash and Curry! Just ask Steve Kerr:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs
Stockton played in the land of the giants against Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley, Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq etc... And held his own in a lethal and physical era.
Nash in the 1980's is not a top 20 players and would've been coming of the bench for ANY of the title winners in that decade!
Nash already had a season in which he averaged 18ppg on 48% shooting in Dallas and his 2point FG% was close to 50% in those years before the rule change, what makes you think that he benefited so hard from it. He did benefit a bit, can't deny that, but saying he was great only because of the rule change is bullshit.
Nash played in the land of giants such as Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Duncan, Dirk and won 2 MVPs while doing it
Nash would heavily benefit from the 80's higher pace, not to mention how revolutionary his (for that era) high volume 3point shooting would be
And yes I agree with the OP on Nash being the second greatest PG after Magic untill Curry got off
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Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
The current NBA statskeepers also always give CP3 and Rondo about 3 extra "assists" per game, "assists" that aren't marked down as "assists" when other players make the exact same pass.
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"3 is greater than 2"
Re: Dishonest stat-keepers MANUFACTURED John Stockton's legacy!
Originally Posted by Nick Young
The current NBA statskeepers also always give CP3 and Rondo about 3 extra "assists" per game, "assists" that aren't marked down as "assists" when other players make the exact same pass.
I listed CP3's differential in the original post, the numbers speak for themselves.
Rondo is the king of meaningless assists and is worthless without the big 3, his differential is also +1, doesn't surprise me that Boston would cheat on the boxscores.
A player like Nash makes passes with the intention of orchestrating the gameplan, not holding the ball hunting for stats.
Karl Malone was responsible for AT LEAST HALF of Stockton's assists, while he was excellent at executing the 2 man game, its hard for me to give him full credit knowing the SECOND LEADING SCORER in NBA history was making things easy as they could be.
Same argument I made against Magic, he played with the leading scorer of all time, I'm not completely sold, and then when you consider the stat boosting things become crystal clear.
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