The Latest discussion on Kobe and how well the Lakers are doing

[Extempo]

I saw this interesting debate on ESPN first take today. Kobe hit 2 amazing game winners in the past 2 weeks and now his # of game winners (28) has surpassed MJ (25).

Kobe's list of game winners:

1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
4.*06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (game-winner: spin-around jumper)
12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
14. 12/19/03: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
15. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
16. 03/03/04: Lakers 96 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake jumper for the win)
20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec)
24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)
27. 12/04/09: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (game-winning buzzer-beater 3-pointer)
28. 12/16/09: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper)

Jordan's list of game winners:

1. 11/11/84 vs. Indiana, 118-116 (12-footer with four seconds left)
2. 12/7/84 vs. New York, 95-93 (18-footer with five seconds left)
3. 3/26/85 vs. Indiana, 120-119 (two free throws with five seconds left)
4. 4/24/85 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107 (game-winning jumper from the corner with 22 seconds left on the clock)
5. 10/25/85 vs. Cleveland, 116-115 (misses the first FT, but drains number two for the victory)
6. 11/11/86 vs. Atlanta, 112-110 (layup with nine seconds left)
7. 11/21/86 vs. New York, 101-99 (running 18-footer with one second remaining)
8. 2/12/88 vs. Milwaukee, 95-93 (2 FTs with two seconds left)
9. 4/3/88 vs. Detroit, 112-110 (2 FTs with four seconds left)
10. 4/15/88 vs. New Jersey, 100-99 (game winning jumper with 20 seconds left)
11. 2/16/89 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116 (20-footer with one second left)
12. 5/7/89 vs. Cleveland, 101-100 ("The Shot" at the buzzer)
13. 5/19/89 vs. New York, 113-111 (2 FTs with four seconds left)
14. 5/27/89 vs. Detroit, 99-97 (pull-up jumper with three seconds left)
15. 9/13/90 vs. Utah, 84-82 (15 footer over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone)
16. 1/22/92 vs. Charlotte, 115-112 (three-point play for a three-point victory)
17. 11/11/92 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT) (long range three-pointer at the buzzer)
18. 5/17/93 vs. Cleveland, 103-101 (jumper over Gerald Wilkins to win Game 4)
19. 3/25/95 vs. Atlanta, 99-98 (jumper over Steve Smith)
20. 2/11/97 vs. Charlotte, 103-100 (clutch jumper from downtown)
21. 3/1897 vs. Seattle, 89-87 (OT) (2 free throws to shut down Seattle)
22. 6/1/97 vs. Utah, 84-82 (jumper as the buzzer goes off)
23. 2/13/98 vs. Atlanta, 112-110 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper)
24. 3/22/98 vs. Toronto, 102-100 (short fadeaway jumper from the right wing)
25. 6/14/98 vs. Utah, 87-86 (clutch game-clinching jumper with 5.2 seconds remaining)

[sergiorodriguez]

out off those 2, Horry, then Fisher, then Ginobili


but Jordan should win by a landslide because his game winner in the finals

[PleezeBelieve]

Hey-oooo!!!

Lakers are great. What you got to elaborate on that?

[HighFlyer23]

Stealing moves?

What? How is that possible? Every move is stolen. Jump shots arent anything new, dribbling isnt new.

Damn, you cannot be creative all the time.

kobe fan

[kshutts1]

I forget who said it, may have been in Simmons' book, but I agree that Kobe is the best split-second shot maker of the two. He has a much more natural/pure shot than Jordan, and more range, and seems to do a better job getting it off cleaner. If there was <2 seconds, give me Kobe. If there are >2 seconds, I won't complain, but I'd prefer Jordan.

[Extempo]

out off those 2, Horry, then Fisher, then Ginobili


but Jordan should win by a landslide because his game winner in the finals

To say MJ should win by a landslide is stupid because Kobe has hit more game-winners than him. It should be very close. I think it's the nostalgia speaking. People like to say MJ as an answer for everything just for the sake of saying MJ.

[Indian guy]

Don't forget MJ's 3 GW's as a Wizard.

[hitmanyr2k]

You can compile a lot of game winners when you're constantly taking those shots. No one remembers the ones they missed. Do they have a list of both players when they missed to see who's missed more?

Anyway, Jordan has shown me he can hit that shot when the stakes are highest. He wins for that reason alone.

[beasted86]

I really don't see why Laker fans are so angry at people disputing the controversial call.

If the call had gone the other way and the Lakers lost, the forums would be overrun the same way with Laker trolls.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I have to give credit to Kobe for his clutch play, but I think he's dominating the ball too much lately, especially when you consider his injury. With his finger injury and the talent on his team, there's no reason for him to look to score that much. With less talent and better health last season he averaged 26.8 ppg and won 65 games. He's also had 7 and 8 turnovers in the last 2 games, respectively. He has to let his teammates get more involved, particularly Bynum who isn't getting enough touches.

[NBASTATMAN]

The call wasn't even missed, it was correct. Bogut was walking backwords when contact was made, it's perfectly clear. He should have set his feet but the idiot didn't. Clear block.



Also all those threads exist because there are alot of lakers haters, mods included (StroShow) who stickies anti-laker threads, who want to distract people from the fact Kobe hit 2 buzzer beating game winners in 2 weeks.

He walked on that game winner.. Kobe is still 16-60 in game winning opps in since 2003... Considering Kobe made 5 game winners in the 2003-2004 season it is not great..


Still he takes advantage of the stuff he gets.. Not all are able to do that... Ray allen is the best clutch shot maker in the league.. Not even close..

[Mihmus]

i dont see anyone beating the lakers as Long as KB24 and pau are on the same team Plus add artest and odom thier gonna be champs again this year i can feel it

[KG5MVP]

maybe not now, but definitely when before KG's injury

[Glide2keva]

Well, both combos have won it all. Although Boston beat L.A. handily, I would say that both combos are about equal.

[Mihmus]

seriously Kobe is GOAT if this keeps going on for the next 2-4 years and it will buzzer beaters 42 points with broken fingers... I mean thats just amazing im not saying hes better then jordan But hes just as good as Him and has a chance to be better once he cements his legacy and retires