Replace Pippen's 15 ppg on 34% from 96' Finals with 2011 or 2012 Wade

[3ball]

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Oh wait.. MJ won anyway... Nevermind.

Okay, then put 2011 or 2012 Wade in place of Pippen's 15 PPG on 41% in the 1998 Finals...

Oh wait.. MJ won anyway again.. I guess MJ can win multiple championships with his #2 only averaging 15 PPG on sub-40 TS, and Lebron can't even win 1.
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[J Shuttlesworth]

How about Pippen's 21/9.4/6.6/2.4/1 in 91?
21/8/7.7/1.5 in 92?
21.8./9.2/7.7/2/1 in 93?
20/8/3.5/1.7/1.8 in 97?
16/7/5/1.7 in 98?

And 96 wasn't even that bad. 15.7/8.2/5.3/2.3/1.3? Give that to LeBron this finals instead of JR or Shump, and you have the chip. Those numbers above are all better than what Wade or Bush put up in the 2014 finals.

And let's not forget Pippen is doing all this while being the greatest defensive perimeter player all time.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ls-karl-malone
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...VP.html?pg=all

Jackson called Kukoc the X-factor in the game. But Pippen was the deciding factor. He was at his best in the first half, scoring all 10 of his points as the Bulls jumped to a 49-31 lead. Defensifvely, Pippen dominated. He opened the game defending the offensively limited Greg Ostertag. That matchup allowed Pippen to roam and disrupt the Utah offense. He slid in front of Karl Malone on two occasions to draw a charge. He popped outside and made life unbearable for Stockton, who finished with two points and five turnovers.

Indeed, the normally sure-handed Jazz turned the ball over 26 times. With Pippen on the perimeter, every entry pass into the low post became and adventure.

"It's a luxury for us to have a defender like Scottie," Jackson said. "He's able to hang tight with whoever he's playing and recover to help on our defensive sets so Utah can't operate.

"Scottie is capable of being a one-man wrecking crew, and this was a pure example of that. His defense is what really blew the game open."

More to basketball than scoring

[dubeta]

Wade averaged 15 ppg on 44% during an entire championship run, not just a series (2013)


This proves that not only can LeBron win a championship with a 15 ppg scorer, but he doesnt need an elite defender with him to win


OTOH OP is complete discrediting Pippens defensive impact, as that accounts for 50% of Pippens production


For an unbiased apples-to-apples comparision, you would need to find a 2nd option averaging 24+ ppg just to equal Pippens 15ppg with GOAT level defense


Thats like me saying Wade was never a good 2nd option because he only averaged 5 rebounds a game, completely irrelevant to what their strengths lie in



CLIFFS: Jordan couldnt win more than 1 playoff (cumulatively) game without Pippen, while Pippen was able to win 2 less games without Jordan 55 games vs 57 (1994)

[3ball]

And 96 wasn't even that bad.

Pippen shot 34% FG and 42% TS in the 1996 Finals.. That might be the worst anyone with material volume has ever shot in the Finals - seriously - it might be.

It wouldn't even matter if he averaged 30 PPG at those percentages - he had a horrific series.. Yet he only averaged 15 PPG... on 34%... WOAT

[dubeta]

Imagine a defensive juggernaut, taking away the best teams scorer in each series. ie. Durant drops from 30 ppg to 15. Melo drops his ppg from 25 to 15ppg on worse efficiency etc. Westbrook gets neutralized

This advantage allows the opposing teams offense to be completely neutralized slowing the pace, and not requiring much scoring from the Bulls therefore Pippen scoring only 15 ppg was acceptable


So its Pippins 15ppg average PLUS the 15 ppg he is stopping on the other side of the ball giving a NET impact of +30 ppg for the Bulls in addition to his rebounding and passing.


Taking Pippen away from the Bulls is like subtracting 30 points from the Bulls final score.

Try doing that, subtract the Bulls playoff scores by 30 points from 1991-1998, tell me how many games they would win maybe 1 or 2 at most, forget about winning championships.


And this idea works well, because the Bulls did in fact only win 1 playoff game without Pippen[/I] [I]proving that my argument makes sense


CLIFFS: Adding Pippen to your roster, is like adding an additional 30 points to your final score on top of whatever the Bulls were able to produce.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Pippen shot 34% FG and 42% TS in the 1996 Finals.. That might be the worst anyone with material volume has ever shot in the Finals - seriously - it might be.

It wouldn't even matter if he averaged 30 PPG at those percentages - he had a horrific series.. Yet he only averaged 15 PPG... on 34%... WOAT

He still supplied decent rebounding, playmaking, steals and blocks. And he's a great defender. Wade was atrocious on defense in 2014. Just going purely off shooting percentage is a mistake, especially with a player like Pippen.

[3ball]

96' wasn't that bad.

I just checked - 15 PPG on 34% field goal percentage IS the WOAT.. Literally the worst of all time.

There is no 2nd option in history that shot so horrifically in the Finals, let alone on such low PPG.

As for his 1998 Finals - again, below-average at best for a 2nd option - 15 PPG on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in the final 2 games... There have been few worse 2nd option performances.

[dubeta]

Imagine a defensive juggernaut, taking away the best teams scorer in each series. ie. Durant drops from 30 ppg to 15. Melo drops his ppg from 25 to 15ppg on worse efficiency etc. Westbrook gets neutralized

This advantage allows the opposing teams offense to be completely neutralized slowing the pace, and not requiring much scoring from the Bulls therefore Pippen scoring only 15 ppg was acceptable


So its Pippins 15ppg average PLUS the 15 ppg he is stopping on the other side of the ball giving a NET impact of +30 ppg for the Bulls in addition to his rebounding and passing.


Taking Pippen away from the Bulls is like subtracting 30 points from the Bulls final score.

Try doing that, subtract the Bulls playoff scores by 30 points from 1991-1998, tell me how many games they would win maybe 1 or 2 at most, forget about winning championships.


And this idea works well, because the Bulls did in fact only win 1 playoff game without Pippen[/I] [I]proving that my argument makes sense


CLIFFS: Adding Pippen to your roster, is like adding an additional 30 points to your final score on top of whatever the Bulls were able to produce.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I just checked - 15 PPG on 34% field goal percentage IS the WOAT.. Literally the worst of all time.

There is no 2nd option in history that shot so horrifically in the Finals, let alone on such low PPG.

As for his 1998 Finals - again, below-average at best for a 2nd option - 15 PPG on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in the final 2 games... There have been few worse 2nd option performances.

Sure. Let's ignore everything else he did on the floor and act like scoring is the only facet to Pippen's game. That sounds like a good idea.

While we're at it, let's look at Mario Chalmers percentage 2014. 33.3%? WOAT

[livinglegend]

FUN FACT: Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen








CLIFFS: 1-9

[3ball]

only can LeBron win a championship with a 15 ppg scorer

Pippen's Playoff Averages:

1996: 16.9 PPG on 39.0%
1997: 19.2 PPG on 41.7%
1998: 16.8 PPG on 41.5%


Lebron has never won a ring with his 2nd option shooting less than 40% for the entire playoff run.

Otoh, as the stats show, MJ 3-peated with a 17 PPG and 40% shooting 2nd option..

[livinglegend]

Pippen's Playoff Averages:

1996: 16.9 PPG on 39.0%
1997: 19.2 PPG on 41.7%
1998: 16.8 PPG on 41.5%


Lebron has never won a ring with his 2nd option shooting less than 40% for the entire playoff run.

Otoh, as the stats show, MJ 3-peated with a 17 PPG and 40% shooting 2nd option..

Sorry to disappoint you, but he clearly said 15 ppg.
All I see are stats over 15 ppgs.


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[3ball]

While we're at it, let's look at Mario Chalmers percentage 2014. 33.3%? WOAT

Obviously, Chalmers was not the HOF 2nd option who was expected to carry a significant load..

You obviously don't have any good arguments left if you have to stoop to this horrible, apples and oranges logic.. It's pretty bad.

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