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Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
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THRU 31 YEARS OLD[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] (playoff stats are linked to source data)
PLAYOFFS PER GAME
[COLOR="DarkRed"] Jordan:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"] Lebron:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]
PLAYOFFS PER 100 POSSESSIONS
[COLOR="DarkRed"] Jordan:[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 43.9 pts..[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"] Lebron:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]
FINALS PER GAME:
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg[/COLOR]
Jordan's first 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring with better efficiency than Lebron's 3 rings, [COLOR="DarkGreen"]while still getting equal or greater assists[/COLOR]...
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Last edited by 3ball; 08-07-2016 at 02:42 PM.
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
That's nice, but Jordan's 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring with better efficiency, while still getting equal or greater assists..
Also, Jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93' Finals is superior because he scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 2 ppg for Lebron, so Jordan faced greater defensive attention.
Finally, Lebron needed a 7th game because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 TO's thru 4 games - he came back and won the series by ONE POSSESSION by averaging 36 ppg in the last 3 games.. Obviously, if he'd averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE series like Jordan did in 91-93' Finals, he wouldn't need a 7th game and would've had a bigger margin of victory.
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Last edited by 3ball; 08-06-2016 at 07:01 PM.
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Usage
1. Michael Jordan 35.58
2. Allen Iverson 34.34
3. Tracy McGrady 33.53
4. Russell Westbrook 32.93
5. Carmelo Anthony 32.63
6. LeBron James 31.97
Top five major ballhogs.
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by bigkingsfan
Usage
1. Michael Jordan 35.58
2. Allen Iverson 34.34
3. Tracy McGrady 33.53
4. Russell Westbrook 32.93
5. Carmelo Anthony 32.63
6. LeBron James 31.97
Top five major ballhogs.
The goat ballhogs
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by TheWinningFam
The goat ballhogs
Every Lebron fan including Lebron himself wishes he could score 20% more with half the time of possession and with greater shooting (ts) and per possession efficiency (ortg).
Jordan is the most efficient high volume wing scorer in history, by far..
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by 3ball
That's nice, but Jordan's 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring with better efficiency, while still getting equal or greater assists..
Also, Jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93' Finals is superior because he scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 2 ppg for Lebron, so Jordan faced greater defensive attention.
Finally, Lebron needed a 7th game because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 TO's thru 4 games - he came back and won the series by ONE POSSESSION by averaging 36 ppg in the last 3 games.. Obviously, he wouldn't need a 7th game and would've had a bigger margin of victory if he'd averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE series like Jordan did in 91-93' Finals.
He also needed a 7th game because he was going against a team that won the most games in NBA history, and was better than any team Jordan ever faced. And LeBron averaged more assists than Jordan did in 5 of his Finals, and recorded more rebounds, steals and blocks than Jordan ever did in any Finals appearance
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by 3ball
Every Lebron fan including Lebron himself wishes he could score 20% more with half the time of possession and with greater shooting (ts) and per possession efficiency (ortg).
Jordan is the most efficient high volume wing scorer in history, by far..
Did u take a faster pace of game and usage into account?
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
3ball, adjust your stats for pace.
Also measure the dtrg of teams LeBron and Jordan faced
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I usually hit open layups
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by Kenomax
He doesn't know what's pace, and this:
"Also, Jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93' Finals is superior because he scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 2 ppg for Lebron, so Jordan faced greater defensive attention."
Wont mention pace or opponent's dtrg because it doesn't fit his agenda
And the scoring 15 more ppg cuz u faced more attention makes 0 sense.
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
He also needed a 7th game because he was going against a team that won the most games in NBA history, and was better than any team Jordan ever faced. And LeBron averaged more assists than Jordan did in 5 of his Finals, and recorded more rebounds, steals and blocks than Jordan ever did in any Finals appearance
It is disingenuous to portray the team that LeBron beat in the 2016 Finals as the same team that won 73 games in the regular season.
Steph Curry after MCL injury, Draymond Green being suspended, Andre Iguodala injured, Andrew Bogut injured; the team that LeBron faced in the Finals is simply not the same strength of the team that won 73 games during the regular season.
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by warriorfan
It is disingenuous to portray the team that LeBron beat in the 2016 Finals as the same team that won 73 games in the regular season.
Steph Curry after MCL injury, Draymond Green being suspended, Andre Iguodala injured, Andrew Bogut injured; the team that LeBron faced in the Finals is simply not the same strength of the team that won 73 games during the regular season.
There was no mcl injury inbred.
Curry before game 7 displaying lateral quickness and leaping ability:
The injury effected his game none whatsoever
[COLOR="Red"]His next game and following series versus the Houston Rockets, Steph perfomed at an elite level[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]The following 7 game series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder he again performed at a spectacular level[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]And as we all know, in the Finals, Curry just couldn't live up to the two previous series when he faced the Cleveland Cavaliers[/COLOR]
Infact, by looking at his past 3 Playoffs, 2016 Curry was right on par in nearly every category with his 2014 and 2013 Playoffs
In conclusion we see that 1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with [COLOR="Red"]Ariza[/COLOR]
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing [COLOR="Red"]Montie[/COLOR] fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging [COLOR="Blue"]31, 8, 7, 48%fg[/COLOR] before playing Cleveland where he struggled at [COLOR="DarkRed"]22, 5, 4, 40%fg[/COLOR]
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury
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Re: Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3
Originally Posted by TheWinningFam
There was no mcl injury inbred.
Curry before game 7:
Doing a dunk in warm ups in no way indicates a player is 100% healthy. Especially regarding their MCL. The main problem that is caused by an MCL injury is loss of lateral movement and explosiveness.
[Quote][I]The MCL is one of four ligaments connecting the femur bone to the tibia at the knee. It helps keep the knee stable as it moves from the outside to the inside.
So the lateral movements are going to put pressure on the ligament.
Athletic trainers refer to what
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