shaq coulda won 3 straight if you replaced kobe with any other quality 2nd option

[kennethgriffin]

and yall wonder why mods let me be who i am


because they see me being attacked by trolls and thus legitimizing my POV


the mods see me providing a solid case


the mods see that every turd on ISH is on my n*ts hanging off my every word

the mods see that the only useful thing you r*tards bring to ISH is more traffic and thus more money for jeff

the mods know i continuously have to state these facts on a routine basis due to people forgetting everything a day later



this is why i exist. because you allow me to. you make this possible

[dubeta]

So then why wasn't Gasol a co-lead with his 21/11/3 with 2 blocks on 52% Fg???

He also posted higher Win Shares and PER than Kobe, and saved Kobe's career in that horrible Game 7


Can't have it both ways



Why isn't Gasol a co-lead??



Try and dodge this one

Damn, Troll Thread officially Destroyed

[kennethgriffin]

So then why wasn't Gasol a co-lead with his 21/11/3 with 2 blocks on 52% Fg???

He also posted higher Win Shares and PER than Kobe, and saved Kobe's career in that horrible Game 7


Can't have it both ways



Why isn't Gasol a co-lead??



Try and dodge this one

because being outscored by nearly 10ppg is not a co-lead

i readily admit kobe was a 2nd option on the 2000 title team

2001 and 2002 however ... being 1 point behind in playoff scoring is as close as it gets


if gasol averaged 29ppg to kobes 30ppg... then maybe...

[GIF REACTION]

Fun fact: Gasol had a better Box Plus Minus and Win shares compared to Kobe in the 2010 playoffs

[kennethgriffin]

Fun fact: Gasol had a better Box Plus Minus and Win shares compared to Kobe in the 2010 playoffs

and yet he was outscored by 10 ppg from a guy who also lead the team in assists and steals. drawing double teams to make up for half of gasols points


analytics take a back seat to facts

[dubeta]

No consideration to rebounds and fg%?


Gasol was better than Kobe


Shaq had 3 times Kobe's rebounds


Gasol had twice Kobe's rebounds



Both were more efficient









Both were better than Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

No consideration to rebounds and fg%?


Gasol was better than Kobe


Shaq had 3 times Kobe's rebounds


Gasol had twice Kobe's rebounds



Both were more efficient









Both were better than Kobe

kobe had more points, assists, steals, threes, free throws, ft%, 3pt%, minutes, fg's

pau had more rebounds, blocks, fg%





kobe outscored pau 695 points to 420 points in 2009

kobe outscored pau 671 points to 450 points in 2010



sorry... its not quite the same as a kobe/shaq co-lead ring

[dubeta]

So.... Can we conclude that:





Kobe was never the best player on a championship team

[kennethgriffin]

So.... Can we conclude that:





Kobe was never the best player on a championship team

na

[dubeta]

na

Shaq clearly was 100% better than Kobe in the 1st 3, and Gasol was more productive in the other 2. Overall Kobe was never the best player in a championship team

[GIF REACTION]

So to conclude

kobe has smaller stats
smaller achievements
smaller frame
smaller hands
smaller impact

Lebron wins

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And that's with Kobe playing 30 more minutes than Big Crosh.

So, not only could one argue Kobe's 2000 championship has an asterisk next to it, but NOW it has been established that Shaq indeed won with a bunch of role players that year.

MDE

[Paul George 24]

hypocrisy at its finest



"shaq can win with any kobe replacement"


"all kobe does is score"


"how can you mention only ppg"

ALL KOBE CAN DO IS STAY BEHIND SHAQ

[feyki]

Total career championship ratios from by win shares(oliver n kubatko) ;

1- Bill Russell - 2.83

2- Michael Jordan - 1.75

3- George Mikan - 1.72

4- Sam Jones - 1.48

5 - Earvin "Magic" Johnson - 1.27

6 - Tim Duncan - 1.27

7 - John "Hondo" Havlicek - 1.16

8 - Kobe Bryant - 1.12

9 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 1.07

10 - Scottie Pippen - 1.00

11 - Shaquille O'Neal - 1.00

12 - Tommy Heinsohn - 0.99

13 - Robert Horry - 0.95

14 - Larry Bird - 0.89

15 - Frank Ramsey - 0.80

16 - Wilt Chamberlain - 0.66

17 - Lebron "King" James - 0.62

18 - Dwyane Wade - 0.59

19 - Manu Ginobili - 0.57

20 - Bob Cousy - 0.56

[kennethgriffin]

ALL KOBE CAN DO IS STAY BEHIND SHAQ

and then..... 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

happened