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Old 12-10-2018, 08:49 PM   #181
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and even if nash/payton/malone were any good... kobe didn't chase them. they chased kobe

kobe didn't call them up. he's not a recruiter and never had say in any laker signings/trades as proven with the bynum/kidd situation


so even if either team worked out its not a ring chasing maneuver or collusion... payton and malone are the ring chasers
You don’t think it’s AT LEAST POSSIBLE management talked to Kobe before making those signings? To get his input?

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Also, apparently it’s not “collusion” when you’re on the team already? Ok so how did LeBron “collude” the second time on the Cavs? He went to a team with young Kyrie and a bunch of scrubs and an unproven Wiggins. “But but Love” yeah he wasn’t there yet.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:51 PM   #182
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You don’t think it’s AT LEAST POSSIBLE management talked to Kobe before making those signings? To get his input?

Ok champ



Also, apparently it’s not “collusion” when you’re on the team already? Ok so how did LeBron “collude” the second time on the Cavs? He went to a team with young Kyrie and a bunch of scrubs and an unproven Wiggins. “But but Love” yeah he wasn’t there yet.

just admit it bron stans. Your boy is a coward. And anyone who respects a coward is a coward himself
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:52 PM   #183
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You don’t think it’s AT LEAST POSSIBLE management talked to Kobe before making those signings? To get his input?

Ok champ



Also, apparently it’s not “collusion” when you’re on the team already? Ok so how did LeBron “collude” the second time on the Cavs? He went to a team with young Kyrie and a bunch of scrubs and an unproven Wiggins. “But but Love” yeah he wasn’t there yet.



no.. lakers management with kupchak/buss was VERY strict about not concerning themselves with players input. they did things independently

which is one of the reasons kobe was being driven insane a lot of the time

they also didn't listen to him when he said to bring back phil

he also told them they should run it through pau and not howard or bynum.

he was pissed when they got rid of odom for nothing. he had no input on that either


the bynum for kidd thing nearly ****ed everything up
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:52 PM   #184
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i have common sense. i can tell the difference between a guy having no say in older players joining him and someone chasing 2 prime players somewhere else


its literally polar opposites

kobes the guy that drove away shaq remember. he isn't about superteams lol


he coulda left the lakers in 2013 but chose to stay


even in 2004 he only considered chicago

then in 2007 he only considered chicago and the clippers


never once has kobe looked for the lebron route
LeBron went the route he did because he got tired of people like you blaming him for not winning with mediocre to trash rosters. Kobe was on great teams from day 1 and demanded trades soon after he finally wasn’t.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:54 PM   #185
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no.. lakers management with kupchak/buss was VERY strict about not concerning themselves with players input. they did things independently

which is one of the reasons kobe was being driven insane a lot of the time

they also didn't listen to him when he said to bring back phil

he also told them they should run it through pau and not howard or bynum.
So basically: Kobe is infallible it was all management fault!


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Old 12-10-2018, 08:55 PM   #186
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So basically: Kobe is infallible it was all management fault!




as far as making moves goes. yes. kobe never made a single LeGM type maneuver


ever

period


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shit even during dwights free agency kobe was against management yet they still begged him to return
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:59 PM   #187
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I could easily argue LeBron doesn’t know the right kind of teams to build around himself and that “LeGM” moves have hurt his career.

And you don’t think Kobe had anything to do with the Kwame+filler (luckily turned into All-Star Marc Gasol but no way Grizz saw that coming) for Pau Gasol trare? Forgive me if I get details about the trade wrong btw going off top of my head.

You complain about James Jones “doing LeBron favors” but you’re silent when it comes to Jerry West handing Kobe an all star?
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I could easily argue LeBron doesn’t know the right kind of teams to build around himself and that “LeGM” moves have hurt his career.

And you don’t think Kobe had anything to do with the Kwame+filler (luckily turned into All-Star Marc Gasol but no way Grizz saw that coming) for Pau Gasol trare? Forgive me if I get details about the trade wrong btw going off top of my head.

You complain about James Jones “doing LeBron favors” but you’re silent when it comes to Jerry West handing Kobe an all star?



yes. its never a good thing to surround yourself with 2 other prime hall of famers


if lebrons f*cked it up thats on him.. his leGM moves should have given him 5 rings minimum. the only one standing in his way was himself in 2011 and 2014
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:14 PM   #189
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Lol at blaming LeBron for 2014. Low IQ.

2011 was absolutely his fault but he made it up for it by winning a series he had no business winning in 2016.

As for the two all-stars bit. Wade is pretty similar to LeBron in play style. They were never a great fit but it worked due to overwhelming individual talent. Bosh is s good fit next to LeBron actually. He would be a great 2nd option to LeBron. He was 3rd on those Heat teams.

Love is a truly horrendous defender. He was basically unplayable versus GS. LeBron likely could have got the same results with Ryan Anderson. Kyrie is good but overrated. He fit well with LeBron tho. Replace Love with Al Horford or even someone like Serge Ibaka and those Cavs teams do better.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:20 PM   #190
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Lol at blaming LeBron for 2014. Low IQ.

2011 was absolutely his fault but he made it up for it by winning a series he had no business winning in 2016.

As for the two all-stars bit. Wade is pretty similar to LeBron in play style. They were never a great fit but it worked due to overwhelming individual talent. Bosh is s good fit next to LeBron actually. He would be a great 2nd option to LeBron. He was 3rd on those Heat teams.

Love is a truly horrendous defender. He was basically unplayable versus GS. LeBron likely could have got the same results with Ryan Anderson. Kyrie is good but overrated. He fit well with LeBron tho. Replace Love with Al Horford or even someone like Serge Ibaka and those Cavs teams do better.



youre right.. lets blame air conditioners instead


lebron didnt get absolutely obliterated by kawhi in the last 3 wins.. who needs defense anyway
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:22 PM   #191
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youre right.. lets blame air conditioners instead


lebron didnt get absolutely obliterated by kawhi in the last 3 wins.. who needs defense anyway
Meltdown.


LeBron had very little help that finals. Stop looking at the names on the back of the jerseys. Wade had been wrecked by injuries and Bosh and Chalmers were trash in against the Spurs.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:39 PM   #192
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Meltdown.


LeBron had very little help that finals. Stop looking at the names on the back of the jerseys. Wade had been wrecked by injuries and Bosh and Chalmers were trash in against the Spurs.


or lebron got wrecked by a softmore and blown out by a record margin because that was the year he quit playing defense


search lebron 2014 finals defense exposed on youtube. hes had a highlight package made every year since lol

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or lebron got wrecked by a softmore and blown out by a record margin because that was the year he quit playing defense


search lebron 2014 finals defense exposed on youtube. hes had a highlight package made every year since lol

LeBron was 2nd team all-defense that year. By your logic he must have been a great defender.

No one sane cares about videos made by obsessive LeBron haters like yourself btw. LeBron’s defense in the 2016 finals was absurd btw ;)
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LeBron was 2nd team all-defense that year. By your logic he must have been a great defender.

No one sane cares about videos made by obsessive LeBron haters like yourself btw. LeBron’s defense in the 2016 finals was absurd btw ;)



and why do you think he slipped from 1st to 2nd team.. even i'll admit kobes last 2 teams were gifted. but i also said they made up for the ones he was snubbed for in 2001 and 2002


lebrons roid cramps and shitty D lost them the 2014 finals. he was disengaged and folded/padded stats to avoid blame after realizing he was cooked
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and why do you think he slipped from 1st to 2nd team.. even i'll admit kobes last 2 teams were gifted. but i also said they made up for the ones he was snubbed for in 2001 and 2002


lebrons roid cramps and shitty D lost them the 2014 finals. he was disengaged and folded/padded stats to avoid blame after realizing he was cooked
Typical Kenny moving the goalposts.
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