Is Lebron overrated as a passer?

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A couple of GIF's are supposed to prove that he's in the same realm of LeBron as a passer? I can literally post hundreds of LeBron GIF's, which make him look like the GOAT passer.

Lets start with a couple:








If you think Sabonis is LeBron level as a passer, you shouldn't be allowed access to a computer, to spread your batshit insanity.

These highlight the criticism about Lebrons passing. No swinging here, just dribbling and then passing to a cutting guy. Yeah, they look sweet, but those aren't the passes that keep an offense flowing.

The '12 finals showed what he'd be capable of doing if he let's the offense come to him. I think that performance was better than '16.

[PeroAntic]

Lebron is an elite passer. He can see the floor and throw a bullet pass with maximum accuracy with perfect timing. If it wasn't for his passing ability in addition to being such an athletic freak he wouldn't be top 5 player ever.

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These highlight the criticism about Lebrons passing. No swinging here, just dribbling and then passing to a cutting guy. Yeah, they look sweet, but those aren't the passes that keep an offense flowing.

The '12 finals showed what he'd be capable of doing if he let's the offense come to him. I think that performance was better than '16.

Magic made a career out of doing that and most think he's the best PG of all time.

[aj1987]

Lebron is a skillled passer, but those numbers are inflated due to the sheer amount of shooters/spacing he's played with on the court.

Not much skill to get an assist off of Ray Allen on Kyle Korver...who are both top 5 in 3 point makes in NBA history.

It's not the same as Kidd, Nash, Bird, Sabonis, or Stockton regardless of what the numbers say.

LeBron as a 18 year old rookie averaged 6 assists a games with the worst 3pt shooting team (shot made and percentage wise) in the league.

You seem highly triggered, just reading all your posts. Seems like you're having an emotional breakdown.

Yeah, when facts hurt your feelings, this is the response you come up with. You went from being a sort of decent poster to kenneth and 32-24 level stupidity. This is what usually happens when a player you do not particularly like ruins your tiny little mind.

And no, I did not say anything about Lebron passing the ball more in my post

That's literally what you actually said though. You said that LeBron shouldn't have the ball as long as he does. That means that he doesn't pass it enough and monopolizes.

not sure where you got that from.

From your post which I quoted. Not that hard to go back and read your own post.

But rather, if Lebron had more of an off the ball game, and did not have to rely so much on simply holding the ball for long periods of times

Tell this to any ATG coach and he'd call you a moron and slap the retard out of you. LeBron is arguably the best passer in the league (and one of the best passers ever) and one of the best scorers in the league (one of the best scorers ever as well). You want to take the ball out of his hand and make him play off-ball? Do you want Mo/West/Delly/Kyrie/Chalmers/Shump/JR/etc. to run the offense over LeBron?

Are you also one of those dudes who hoped Stockton/CP3/Magic/Nash/etc. played more off-ball and gave the ball to their teammates more?

Maybe Nash/Stockton/CP3/etc. would've had multiple championships if they played off-ball more, right?

to get his stats

Yeah, because LeBron cares more about his stats than winning.

then maybe his teams would be playing a more dynasty type of basketball, rather than flip of the coin, get lucky and win one year and then lose the other.

2007- LeBron and trash vs PRIME/PEAK Duncan, TP, Manu, etc..

2011 - LeBron choked. Not argument from me.

2012 - Wade was injured and so was Bosh. Missed games in the PO's as well.

2013 - Wade was a shell of himself and the Heat going for the streak ruined Bosh and Wade during the PO's. Injuries.

2014 - Wade was a shell of himself and Bosh was pretty much done.

4 straight Finals and 2 championships. Would've been 3, if it wasn't for the choke.

2015 - Injured Kyrie and Love. You think your man crush was going to win a title without Pippen/Grant and Pippen/Rodman? LeBron still took his team to 6 games against a 67 win team.

2017 - 2 MVP's, a DPOY, and another All-NBA player.

2018 -

Can you tell me which one he was supposed to win (outside 2011), just by playing off-ball more?

These highlight the criticism about Lebrons passing. No swinging here, just dribbling and then passing to a cutting guy. Yeah, they look sweet, but those aren't the passes that keep an offense flowing.

The '12 finals showed what he'd be capable of doing if he let's the offense come to him. I think that performance was better than '16.

And yet, since 2009 - 2018, LeBron's teams, on average, have ranked ~4 in the league in terms of offense. Literally no team in the league keeps "swinging" the ball on every possession. No team in history has does that either. As I said, try watching games.

Go through this thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=355112

I can keep posting those videos and links for ages.

Jesus AJ is an absolute moron

Forget Sabonis, Jokic is a better passer than Bran has ever been.

As I told you before, go play in traffic, kid. The World doesn't need your level of autism and stupidity.

His decision making and timing is why I believe he's overrated. He simply holds on to the ball far too long. There is no true flow to how he runs the offence, it's mostly very stagnant

You only think he's overrated because LeBron is a legit threat to the guy you literally worship.

Lets talk about some FACTS. Last season, LeBron was #3 in scoring and #2 in assists. However, he was not even top 10 in terms of time of possession per game. The Cavs were 5th in league in ORth. 5th best offense in the league with whatever LeBron had last season.

Honestly, Luke Walton and Lamar Odom are better passers than Lebron. They have great timing, instincts, and can create better than Bron.

Good lord. You're a ****ing idiot.

[And1AllDay]

high assist numbers =/= great passing

there's nothing great about barreling towards the basket and dishing out to the open man. it's as basic as it gets

Oh for sure it is super easy everyone can do it I'm sure MJ has done it a bunch of times

Season with 7 apg or higher

LeBron: 11
Jordan: 3

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Oh for sure it is super easy everyone can do it I'm sure MJ has done it a bunch of times

Season with 7 apg or higher

LeBron: 11
Jordan: 3

Close

Lebron plays point forward. Why is he only averaging 7?

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These highlight the criticism about Lebrons passing. No swinging here, just dribbling and then passing to a cutting guy. Yeah, they look sweet, but those aren't the passes that keep an offense flowing.

The '12 finals showed what he'd be capable of doing if he let's the offense come to him. I think that performance was better than '16.

There's no highlights of people swinging the ball around. It happens all game...

Those were all highlights of him getting a teammate an easy bucket from a very difficult position. I don't know how that can be a criticism. They're 3 second gifs...not videos of him holding the ball for 15 seconds and then passing to a "bail out" shooter.

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I think he is more like underrated, his passing skills / vision is one of the best ive ever seen, he is overrated only if you think he is the best passer ever...

Now.... you seem to be talking about assists... a PG can start the game, play 48 mins and do nothing but get rid of the ball like a hot potato... entire season.... and average 10 apg.... you cant measure passing skills like that... passing ability evaluation is completely visual, you have to see it with your own eyes....

Lebron could have averaged 10+++ apg EASY if he wanted to, all he would have to do was sacrificing some shots/points per game OR START POINT-GUARD (I know you want to say he plays like one anyways as a Point-Forward, but he really doesnt bring the ball up/orchestrate the offense ENTIRE GAME), much of the time he works off the ball aswell... not sure it would result with better game outcomes tho, especially when considering ALL his rosters required him to be agressive scoring wise (while doing everything else)...


As far as Harden/Westbrook goes, both are starting PG's and one of them is one of the most blatant statpadders in NBA history....