2 Larry Birds don't equal 1 Kobe Bryant

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why would anybody waste their time giving a troll exactly what he wants?

Nobody is shook.

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?

[DonDadda59]

umm..

1998 - 15/3/3, All star ( 61-21 ) - lost to WCF champs

1999 - 20/5/4, All NBA ( 31-19 ) - lost to WCF champs

2000 - 23/6/5, All NBA,All Defense ( 67-15 ) - Won NBA title

2001 - 29/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - Won NBA title

2002 - 25/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 58-24 ) - Won NBA title

2003 - 30/7/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 50-32 ) - lost to NBA champs

2004 - 24/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - lost to NBA champs

2005 - 28/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 34-48 ) - surgery/rebuild

2006 - 35/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to #2 seed

2007 - 32/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 42-40 ) - lost to #1 seed

2008 - 28/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2009 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 65-17 ) - Won NBA title

2010 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - Won NBA title

2011 - 25/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2012 - 28/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 41-25 ) - lost to WCF champs

2013 - 27/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to WCF champs
2014 - torn achilles -


this isnt longevity?

this isnt contending?




and how does anyone who doubles up bird in nearly everything not have longevity? what does that say about bird if it were even half way true

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years'... the Lakers went out and got him top level talent, only for Bean's hardheadedness and inability to adapt to a different style of play with his deteriorating ability causing said talent to look for greener pastures. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

[kennethgriffin]

Why would anybody waste their time giving a troll exactly what he wants?

Nobody is shook.

really getting tired of the whole "trolling" excuse people give my threads


if all i do is post facts and theyre so overwhelming to the point where they come accross as ignorant and mean.

then what does that say about kobe? ... it means he's so damn good. it hurts to look at if you're not a fan of his. its simply too much to handle

if i were to remake this thread. and instead put a guy who does actually compare to kobe ( like say michael jordan )

then everyone would take it seriously.

because his scoring milestones mirror kobes. and in some cases surpass

his all nba's and all defenses compare.. and in some cases kobe surpasses



when its a valid conversation people take it seriously... in this case. its so GOD DAMN lopsided it pisses people off

thats not my fault.

kobe/jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bird

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

Kobe has less first round losses than Kareem and the same number as Duncan.

Same amount of rings as Duncan, has made more finals.

but doesn't have the consistent winning longevity as these guys..

[kennethgriffin]

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years'... the Lakers went out and got him top level talent, only for Bean's hardheadedness and inability to adapt to a different style of play with his deteriorating ability causing said talent to look for greener pastures. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013

[SouBeachTalents]

in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013

Lol, you cut Duncan's elite seasons a couple of years short. He's definitely still elite until at least '07

[ShawkFactory]

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?

I don't need to prove him wrong. There's no point in going through the effort to make an actual analytical response. Yes, Kobe was a better volume scorer than Bird. Yes, Kobe played more seasons. Yes, Kobe had more All-Defense teams. That's literally all the OP addressed before making the conclusion that Bird has no argument over Kobe as a player. Do you seriously not see why there's no point in making an intelligent response? Especially given the OPs posting history. Get Kobe's dick out of your mouth and look at who made this thread.

I don't want it if its that easy.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013

One is still a big contributor on a perennial contender, the other is shitting all over his own team and legacy.

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, you cut Duncan's elite seasons a couple of years short. He's definitely still elite until at least '07

thats still short of kobe

[DonDadda59]

Kobe has less first round losses than Kareem and the same number as Duncan.

Same amount of rings as Duncan, has made more finals.

but doesn't have the consistent winning longevity as these guys..

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?

duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

Duncan was a top 5 MVP candidate his rookie year bruh and was still elite until knee injuries hit him around 2009-2010. He had a dip in productivity, but rebounded nicely when he got healthier. Hell, he was still an all star this season at 38.

[ralph_i_el]

Tl;Dr Kenneth is a ******

[Ancient Legend]

Larry Bird was a better player, Kobe had the better career, simple as that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?

Why do you act like things would be different if the Lakers would have kept Dwight? Both he and Kobe would have been out for majority of the season and the Lakers would be in the same position they are now..

and if he would have stayed for last year we still don't make the playoffs?

and Duncan isn't good enough to be the go to guy on his team anymore, and if Kobe was scoring 14 points per game while winning championships like Duncan is haters like you would be rushing to discredit him for that. Duncan isn't the best defensive or offensive player on his team yet he gets lauded for winning championships in that role, if that was Kobe those ring wouldn't even count

[ShawkFactory]

really getting tired of the whole "trolling" excuse people give my threads


if all i do is post facts and theyre so overwhelming to the point where they come accross as ignorant and mean.

then what does that say about kobe? ... it means he's so damn good. it hurts to look at if you're not a fan of his. its simply too much to handle

if i were to remake this thread. and instead put a guy who does actually compare to kobe ( like say michael jordan )

then everyone would take it seriously.

because his scoring milestones mirror kobes. and in some cases surpass

his all nba's and all defenses compare.. and in some cases kobe surpasses



when its a valid conversation people take it seriously... in this case. its so GOD DAMN lopsided it pisses people off

thats not my fault.

kobe/jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bird

So what you're saying is that you're sincere but just stupid? I'd take the trolling angle bruh

[kennethgriffin]

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?

duncan from 1998-2015 ( 18 years ) had

- a legendary coach
- a top 50 all time sidekick
- a stacked roster

he managed 5 titles/6 finals





while kobe bryant


1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




kobe had JUST 2 TIMES in 19 years what duncan had 18 times IN ALL 18 YEARS


and still managed more finals/same titles