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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Big164
But Lebron is not 1st or Best in either of those categories.
Wilt has over 69 NBA records not just over Lebron, but every single player including MJ. All of Lebron's 2nd and 3rd place finishes do not impress me, wilt obviously has the higher peaks...assists, points, Rebs fg%, playoffs, everything
No one knows how many NBA Records Chamberlain owns.
Harvey Pollack had Wilt with over 100.
However, I have the Dipper with HUNDREDS, and likely even THOUSANDS of NBA Records.
For example... "streak records"...
Wilt has the highest scoring single game in NBA history, at 100.
He has the highest two game total of 161.
Highest three game total of 226.
Highest four game total of 293.
Highest five game total of 351 (70.2 ppg BTW.)
You can carry that out to his 80 games in his 61-62 season... 4029 points (50.4 ppg.)
Then, you can carry that out to his first 11 seasons, when he was averaging 34 ppg in whatever number of games by that time (some 800+.)
And since Wilt was also easily the greatest rebounder in NBA history...I'm sure you could find similar "streaks" with his rebounding, as well.
And Chamberlain also had MANY POST-SEASON Record, too. Most 20-20 games; most 30-20 games; most 40-20 games; most 50-20 games; most 30-30 games; most 40-30 games; and most 50-30 games.
Furthermore, you could carry those games out in "streaks" as well. Most consecutive 20-20 games; most consecutive 30-20 games; etc.
And if we had all of Wilt's blocked shots, he would most certainly hold a TON of those records, as well. Thanks to Julizaver at nbastats.net, we do KNOW that Wilt is THE all-time playoff blocked shot king. Sorry Tim Duncan, but your 568 blocked shots in your 251 games was eclipsed by the KNOWN playoff blocks that Wilt had (590 in 81 known games.) What we don't know, is just how many more Wilt had...since we only have 81 of his 160 post-season games.
The NBA should publish TWO Record Books. One, the Wilt Book, and then two, the Everyone Else Book.
Last edited by LAZERUSS; 09-25-2016 at 06:01 PM.
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MH!
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
All those "records" and only 2 pathetic carried rings.
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11/13
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by aj1987
All those "records" and only 2 pathetic carried rings.
He led two franchises, TWO, to 68+ wins and a ring. Bron never even helmed 1 68+ win team.
. Lebrom can only hope for a 68+ win team to be injured and beg to get the best player suspended in an elimination game.
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Big164
He led two franchises, TWO, to 68+ wins and a ring. Bron never even helmed 1 68+ win team.
. Lebrom can only hope for a 68+ win team to be injured and beg to get the best player suspended in an elimination game.
yeah, he beats them
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MH!
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
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11/13
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
yeah, he beats them
He beats them to Adam Silver's crotch. That is all.
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Great college starter
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
yeah, he beats them
Look at that avatar
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Big164
Career per is not as insightful because some guys like Kareem play well past their prime and end up destroying their overall per.
I gurantee if Lebron plays to age 36 he will finish below WIlt, where his short 6'8 ass belongs!
This is hogwash. Lebron is so far ahead of Chamberlain (1+ PER lead over 13 seasons) that there's no way he falls below him in career PER if he plays an extra 4 years, even taking a slight decline into account.
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Maverick Carter
This is hogwash. Lebron is so far ahead of Chamberlain (1+ PER lead over 13 seasons) that there's no way he falls below him in career PER if he plays an extra 4 years, even taking a slight decline into account.
PER is bullshit, anyway. It assumes a million things that aren't true and its huge dependence on scoring creates travesties like elite non high scorers, like Magic, Russell, post '66 Wilt, etc, not being considered all-time elite players, players like prime Rodman or prime Ben Wallace being considered merely "good starters" etc. And, obviously, it didn't even exist as a term when Wilt was playing, so where he ranks compared to players who are completely aware of it is a pointless discussion.
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Psileas
PER is bullshit, anyway. It assumes a million things that aren't true and its huge dependence on scoring creates travesties like elite non high scorers, like Magic, Russell, post '66 Wilt, etc, not being considered all-time elite players, players like prime Rodman or prime Ben Wallace being considered merely "good starters" etc. And, obviously, it didn't even exist as a term when Wilt was playing, so where he ranks compared to players who are completely aware of it is a pointless discussion.
You do know that Wilt is 5th all time in PER right? And that Magic is 14th? If I had to pick only one advanced stat to measure a player's value, it would be PER. You can't cheat your way on this list like TS%, which is a skewed stat that favors certain type of players.
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NBA Legend
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Most intelligent observers rank Wilt's '67 season as one of the GOAT seasons in NBA history. And yet, he "only" had a PER of 26.5.
That is all you need to know about PER.
It is a FLAWED stat that rates scoring WAY too high.
Furthermore, it didn't even capture more advanced metrics in Wilt's era, like blocked shots. And everyone knows that Wilt was the GOAT shot-blocker in NBA history.
It obviously didn't measure his DEFENSIVE IMPACT either. He COMPLETELY shut down HOF centers Bellamy, Russell, and Thurmond in that season. Just annihilated all three of them (and then Russell and Thurmond in the post-season.)
And yes, TS% is a flawed stat as well. It doesn't reflect across era's.
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
People who have an axe to grind or an agenda against players ranked higher all time than their favourite players are going to dimissory any stat which ranks their players lower than they'd like.
PER is probably the most trusted and widely used individual metric world wide, as the Clippers fan a couple of posts back noted.
Wilt Chamberlain - as good as he was - was never quite as dominant as a Michael Jordan or a Lebron james if you take playoffs and finals performances into account. It's no shame being below arguably the two greatest players of all time, mind you.
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NBA Legend
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Maverick Carter
People who have an axe to grind or an agenda against players ranked higher all time than their favourite players are going to dimissory any stat which ranks their players lower than they'd like.
PER is probably the most trusted and widely used individual metric world wide, as the Clippers fan a couple of posts back noted.
Wilt Chamberlain - as good as he was - was never quite as dominant as a Michael Jordan or a Lebron james if you take playoffs and finals performances into account. It's no shame being below arguably the two greatest players of all time, mind you.
Who has the TWO highest PER seasons in NBA HISTORY????
Yes, THE GOAT...that's who.
And yet, he was even MORE dominant in his 65-66 and 66-67 seasons.
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Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
Who has the TWO highest PER seasons in NBA HISTORY????
Yes, THE GOAT...that's who.
And yet, he was even MORE dominant in his 65-66 and 66-67 seasons.
I sincerely hope you're not stupid enough to be suggesting that Wilt Chamberlain is anything close to being or resembling the goat.
That's one Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He is followed by Lebron james who has the 2nd highest career PER. They, ofcourse, are both ranked higher all time than everyone else and that includes wilt Chamberlain.
In fac, a myriad of other players including kareem Abdul-Jabbar are ranked higher than Chamberlain in most viewers'opinioj.s.
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NBA Legend
Re: 22/29/9 on 58 fg%....Is there a playoff statline GOATer than This?
Originally Posted by Maverick Carter
I sincerely hope you're not stupid enough to be suggesting that Wilt Chamberlain is anything close to being or resembling the goat.
That's one Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He is followed by Lebron james who has the 2nd highest career PER. They, ofcourse, are both ranked higher all time than everyone else and that includes wilt Chamberlain.
In fac, a myriad of other players including kareem Abdul-Jabbar are ranked higher than Chamberlain in most viewers'opinioj.s.
Listen Mr Feeble...
NO ONE ranks the Court Jester at #2. NO ONE.
And just because the night janitors at ESPN randomly pulled names out of a hat and "drew" LeChoke at #3 means NOTHING.
Just check the NBA RECORD BOOK. See how many pages Leshrinkage has as compared to Lord Chamberlain.
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