Who has more IMPACT on the game, Lebron or MJ?

[KOBE143]

Colorado criminal court system too...

I just had to, bruh

I like Kobe BTW

Cool! How can someone hate Kobe? He's too cute and sexy..

[greymatter]

Question of whether you'd rather have a slightly more dominant off/def player versus someone who's a better teammate and more versatile on both ends of the floor.

One thing's for sure, Heat don't lose only 2 Ws as a team if you take away Lebron and replace him with Kukoc and Pete Myers.

[atljonesbro]

Do y'all think the Heat would win 55 games without James?

[Smook A.]

LeBron hasn't even won his 3rd championship yet and people are already saying he's better than Michael Jordan. Seriously go check your god damn brain if you think that. LeBron James still has catching up to do. He has the potential to pass Jordan but it'll be tough and it's definitely not happeneing anytime soon. Even If he does win a championship this year I still don't think he's better than Jordan. Keep in mind, MJ has 2 3-Peats. He could've won more championships if he didn't retire suddenly in 1994.

Most people compare what players have done by their age. I do it by seasons and I think thats the way it should be... Anyway these are their accomplishments and awards in their first 11 seasons. Im doing 11 because this is LeBron's 11th year in the league.

LeBron has won 2 Championships (Possibly 3 this year), 2 Finals MVPs, 2 All-Star MVPs, 4 League MVPs, 10 time All-Star, 5 time NBA All Defensive 1st Team, 8 time All NBA 1st Team, 1 Scoring Title, and Rookie of the Year.

Jordan won 3 Championships, 3 Finals MVPs, 1 All-Star MVP, 3 League MVPs, 9 time All-Star, 6 time NBA All Defensive 1st Team, 8 time All NBA 1st Team, 7 straight Scoring Titles, 3 Steal Titles, Defensive Player of the Year, and Rookie of the Year.

Mike still has more accomplishments even though he "retired" in his 10th season. Now lets look at NBA Finals stats.

LeBron James' - Playoff averages: 48.1 FG%, 33.0 3P%, 75.4 FT%, 8.4 TRB, 6.5 AST, 1.7 STL, 0.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV, 28.0 PPG

Michael Jordan's - Playoff averages: 49.9 FG%, 35.4 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 6.7 TRB, 6.5 AST, 2.3 STL, 1.0 BLK, 3.4 TOV, and 34.4 PPG.

LeBron James' - NBA Finals averages: 44.1 FG%, 28.6 3P%, 73.7 FT%, 9.0 TRB, 7.0 AST, 1.7 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.8 TOV, and 23.4 PPG.

Michael Jordan's - NBA Finals averages: 52.6 FG%, 41.2 3P%, 80.5 FT%, 6.7 TRB, 7.9 AST, 2.0 STL, 0.8 BLK, 2.6 TOV, and 36.3 PPG.

Jordan clearly has better stats in the playoffs and most importantly the NBA Finals. He was just a better performer. I can't believe Fudge said "LeBron James is the best playoff performer of all-time". I didn't know if he was trolling or just being serious, lol.

[Roundball_Rock]

Better player and greater player are not the same thing. In theory a player could be the best player of all-time at any point. Greatness depends on accumulating a resume, though.

Most people compare what players have done by their age. I do it by seasons and I think thats the way it should be.

Why? LeBron came out raw straight from high school (and impacting his team more than MJ did out of NCAA). Moreover, age is a better indicator of how much longer they have to play. LeBron likely has 4-5 MVP caliber seasons left and he could be playing at an all-star level for 2-3 additional seasons.

Jordan clearly has better stats

MJ, who shot more frequently than anyone in history, will always have better stats than LeBron. The argument for LeBron is not about stats. Frankly, if it is all about stats then Wilt>MJ as does prime KAJ.

[AintNoSunshine]

Colorado criminal court system too...

I just had to, bruh

I like Kobe BTW

[kshutts1]

Who has more overall impact on the game, Lebron or MJ?

Overall impact is consisted of personal scoring, playmaking, game control, defense, critical plays, clutchness, etc...

Statistically, Lebron is probably the most impactful player in history, how does he compare the MJ?

Well if Lebron is the "most impactful player in history" then would should assume that he compares to MJ by being better...? So that was a silly question. Glad you made this thread.

Also, stupid thread because anyone that thinks MJ is the GOAT should be basing that on impact... so... yeah. Again, stupid thread.

But basing impact on just stats, Lebron is not even top 5. Ever heard of Wilt or Oscar or Bird or Russell?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Chris Bosh and Rashard Lewis

[PJR]

It's really splitting hairs, really. But I'll probably go with LeBron.

LeBron showed in Cleveland that he enhances the ability of a mediocre supporting cast offensively like not many can, because of how much of a willing passer he is.

And LeBron brings more versatility on defense than Jordan did.

[juju151111]

Better player and greater player are not the same thing. In theory a player could be the best player of all-time at any point. Greatness depends on accumulating a resume, though.



Why? LeBron came out raw straight from high school (and impacting his team more than MJ did out of NCAA). Moreover, age is a better indicator of how much longer they have to play. LeBron likely has 4-5 MVP caliber seasons left and he could be playing at an all-star level for 2-3 additional seasons.



MJ, who shot more frequently than anyone in history, will always have better stats than LeBron. The argument for LeBron is not about stats. Frankly, if it is all about stats then Wilt>MJ as does prime KAJ.

Wilt doesn't have better stats then Mj. When people talk about greats it's playoffs nobody gives a flying **** a about Regular season.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Dude has a great game and trolls start right in with the Jordan talk. Last night was an AVERAGE playoff game for Jordan, pretty much.

Anti-Jordan trolls like Roundball Rock have been on a tear lately making threads and posts.

[andgar923]

Dude has a great game and trolls start right in with the Jordan talk. Last night was an AVERAGE playoff game for Jordan, pretty much.

Anti-Jordan trolls like Roundball Rock have been on a tear lately making threads and posts.

This

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dude has a great game and trolls start right in with the Jordan talk. Last night was an AVERAGE playoff game for Jordan, pretty much.

Anti-Jordan trolls like Roundball Rock have been on a tear lately making threads and posts.

THIS

MJ averaged 34 ppg in the playoffs for his career. Put up 31 ppg, 11 apg in the Finals. Dropped 41 ppg in the Finals.

LeBron had a fantastic game last night, but seriously stop.

[KungFuJoe]

Man all these basketball newbies who never even watched MJ play need to go get educated.

MJ had WAY more impact on the game than Lebron and it's not even close. Lebron has "moments"...he'll disappear for stretches and then hit a bunch of shots in a row and it's OMG Lebron IS SO GOOD OMG. Jordan was in FULL CONTROL of the entire game from opening tip to final buzzer.

Tell you what...all you Lebron stans come back when Lebron does anything even REMOTELY close to how MJ finished off Utah for his final ring.

Until then, STFU.

Oh...and MJ > Lebron.

[Roundball_Rock]

Cleveland went from 61 wins and the best record in the league to 19 wins and the second worst record in the league without LeBron. Chicago, with MJ being replaced by a D-Leaguer, went from 3rd to 6th in the league in wins, declining from 57 wins to 55 wins. It is obvious which of the two had more impact. How about Cleveland without LeBron in the same year? I will start from 2006, the first year LeBron was an all-NBA first team player.

Cleveland without LeBron

2006: 3-0
2007: 3-1
2008: 0-7
2009: 0-1
2010: 1-5
Total: 7-14

How about Miami?

Miami without LeBron

2011: 1-2
2012: 1-3
2013: 5-1
2014: 2-3
Total: 9-9

Since 2008 LeBron's teams are 10-22 (26 wins over 82 games) without him. The results speak for themselves. LeBron has more impact on his team's results. We saw it again just last week. As soon as LeBron left, Miami collapsed.