Is Jimmy Butler better than D. Rose ever was?

[TripleA]

Lol no even if Rose was severely overrated Jimmy Butler will never win a mvp over prime Lebron,D wade, Dwight Howard and Durant. He was just a higher calibre player than Butler.

[BigMacAttack]

Not even close.

[Pointguard]

Why are people giving Rose all the credit for the success of those Bulls teams? They were defensive juggernauts that held opponents well below their scoring averages. Rose wasn't shooting at an amazing level or anything like Curry and threw up plenty of bricks that needed to be rebounded.

Now if you want to argue that Rose's play-making is the difference maker and conclude that his greater offensive impact (due to higher play-making) outweighs Butler's greater defensive impact/2-way play, then that is a fair argument.

But to sit there and act like Rose was this efficient scorer that carried an otherwise mediocre Bulls team to 60+ wins is borderline ludicrous. It's akin to claiming that those LeBron-lead Cavs teams were garbage outside of LeBron when they both had in common being teams tailor-made to compliment their superstars at the time with great defense.

Nobody has ever said Rose was "some efficient scorer" like you alluded to twice, and have the nerve to act like its annoying you. That's your imagination and yours alone, and you acting like the resistance is strong. It's you dude. And I know its cool to make it sound like you got friends...

Carrying a team offensively is one of the hardest things to do in the sport and there are usually only one or two in the sport that can do it with any type of success and they are never only 22 years old. And its something that is rarely done efficiently. Rose is a PG. A team tailor made for him has finishers, shooters, athletes, other creators, an offensive coach, a great post game. Rose barely had any of that. Everything is easier if you have those qualities. Efficiency suffers if you don't have those qualities. And nothing is tailor made unless a player has those qualities on his team. If you think Butler can carry a team offensively you need your head checked.

[Solefade]

Funny how no one in this thread mentioned defense and also Butler is only averaging 2pts less than Rose's MVP season..bulls maintained the #1 seed in the east even though rose only played like 30 games in 2012

[scm5]

Rose was just as explosive with MUCH better body control. Westbrook has a higher motor and always bring it tho.

Comparing Westbrook and Rose is like comparing Jordan to Kobe.

Kobe probably had better body control than MJ, but he needed it as he wasn't as strong or powerful as MJ. When Westbrook drives in, he goes through or over people. When Rose drove in, he had to go around people.

[G-train]

Funny how no one in this thread mentioned defense and also Butler is only averaging 2pts less than Rose's MVP season..bulls maintained the #1 seed in the east even though rose only played like 30 games in 2012

2.6 ppg less.

39 games not 30.

They went 50-26 after going 62-20, and lost in first round to 76ers who were the 8th seed.

[Solefade]

2.6 ppg less.

39 games not 30.

They went 50-26 after going 62-20, and lost in first round to 76ers who were the 8th seed.

This is very nitpicky but I would give up 2.6ppg less to have elite defense and ability to defend the other team's best player

[G-train]

This is very nitpicky but I would give up 2.6ppg less to have elite defense and ability to defend the other team's best player

What about the other numbers?

and you forgot to address losing to the 8th seed.

[Pointguard]

Comparing Westbrook and Rose is like comparing Jordan to Kobe.

Kobe probably had better body control than MJ, but he needed it as he wasn't as strong or powerful as MJ. When Westbrook drives in, he goes through or over people. When Rose drove in, he had to go around people.

Well we don't need further proof that you don't know what you're talking about. Kobe had great body control but he was no Jordan. Jordan, like Rose, was the superior athlete to Kobe/Westbrook. The reason why Westbrook has trouble getting around Rose is because of Rose strength. Rose totally reorganizes Westbrook's thinking when attacking the basket - you can see it in games this year.

Rose dunk highlights are a lot of weaving because he's the focus of the defense. He's usually dunking on his third or fourth defender. Westbrook gets his on stealth. They weren't ready for his acceleration.

[sd3035]

Rose was amazing before the injury, but unfortunately he became a mental midget and completely sucks now

[Pointguard]

Rose was amazing before the injury, but unfortunately he became a mental midget and completely sucks now

Well, what's your excuse?

Couldn't get in the Cavs game and your brain shrunk right?

[BasedTom]

Lol no even if Rose was severely overrated Jimmy Butler will never win a mvp over prime Lebron,D wade, Dwight Howard and Durant. He was just a higher calibre player than Butler.

Are you implying that Dairy Crows deserved the MVP award? I hope that's not what you're implying.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2015 and 2016 Jimmy are better than any version of Rose

Jimmy lowkey looked like mini Jordan in that Bucks series and recently has been playing on that level again

[KiiiiNG]

No, but he'll have the better career by a considerable margin.

Butler is smart, tough, resilient.... everything Rose isn't.

I always said Rose was/is the biggest idiot wimp I've ever seen. Two years in a row he sat on the bench when he coulda been playing in the playoffs.

So he was saving himself, right? FOR THIS?

Jesus Christ man. Derrick and all the idiots who ever had his back can go grab a remington 870 and blow your f[COLOR="Black"]uck[/COLOR]ing heads off.

[sd3035]

Well, what's your excuse?

Couldn't get in the Cavs game and your brain shrunk right?

lol what?