With Monta's recent high scoring, Wilt has the highest playoff ppg drop-off all-time

[aj1987]

Yep, while Wilt was "losing" to the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and then teams like the '70 and '73 Knicks (SIX HOFers), as well as the '71 Bucks...and crushing that said dynasty in one of his post-seasons, and dominating the '72 Bucks in the other...

players like MJ were "losing" to Celtic and Piston teams that were wiped out by Magic's Lakers. Kareem was "losing" to Thurmond, Cowens, Walton, Webster, Sikma, Moses, Parish, and Laimbeer.

Hakeem, that clown was losing to Eaton, Thompson, Miller, AC Green...you name it, just a long parade of no-name centers who "beat" Hakeem.

I could go right down the list. Chamberlain's "losses" were to super teams, and not also-rans with scrub centers.

But I thought he was the MOST dominant player EVER. Shouldn't he be able to win more than that? Also, 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals.

@ ArbitraryWater, My bad. Played in 6 and lost 4.

[LAZERUSS]

But I thought he was the MOST dominant player EVER. Shouldn't he be able to win more than that? Also, 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals.

@ ArbitraryWater, My bad. Played in 6 and lost 4.

Jordan went 0-6 against Bird in his post-season play. Kareem was 1-6 against Moses (including "losing" to a Moses-led team that went 40-42.) Bird was 8-11 against Magic (and really, that one series win should have been a Laker sweep...he was one FT away from being 5-12, and another ill-advised pass away from being 4-12.)

How come?

Why couldn't MJ beat the Celtics? Clearly, since Wilt is held to that same standard against Russell, why not MJ against Bird?


BTW, MJ's scoring and effciency took a NOSE-DIVE in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys" (and really, the Pistons were already ina steep decline in the last one.) Shaq's scoring and efficiency took a big time hit against the Spurs in his FIVE playoff series against them. And KAJ...well, how about this...against Wilt and Nate in his FIVE playoff series...a decline of 7 ppg and get this... 11% from the floor.

How come? How come when those "GOATs" went up against fellow "GOATs" and their quality teams...THEIR numbers declined DRAMATICALLY????


BTW, how about Kobe's HUGE decline in FG% in his SEVEN NBA Finals? And in the biggest games of those Finals, he probably shot around 38% (or worse.)

[LAZERUSS]

And this is for Deuce...

99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
Last Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game of Series .389 FG%

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514 FG%
Last Game of Series .438 FG%

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438 FG%
Finals 22.6 ppg .381 FG%
Last Game of Series .333 FG%

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459 FG%
Finals 25.7 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .318 FG%

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467 FG%
Finals 32.4 ppg .430 FG%
Last Game of Series .435 FG%

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456 FG%
Finals 28.6 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .250 FG%


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
Team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86. Kobe shoots .389 from the field.

BY FAR...the biggest CHOKE jobs by a "GOAT" in NBA history...

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, Wilt ELEVATED his rebounding and FG% in his Finals...while crushing his opposing centers in BOTH.

Here were his margins in rebounding:

27.8 rpg to 25.2 rpg; 28.5 rpg to 26.7 rpg; 25.0 rpg to 21.4 rpg; 24.1 rpg to 10.5 rpg; 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg; and 18.6 rpg to 9.2 rpg.

And here were his FG% margins:

.517 to .386; .560 to .343; .500 to .399; .625 to .483; .600 to .500; and .525 to .493.


DOMINANCE...

[-23-]

Jordan went 0-6 against Bird in his post-season play. Kareem was 1-6 against Moses (including "losing" to a Moses-led team that went 40-42.) Bird was 8-11 against Magic (and really, that one series win should have been a Laker sweep...he was one FT away from being 5-12, and another ill-advised pass away from being 4-12.)

How come?

Why couldn't MJ beat the Celtics? Clearly, since Wilt is held to that same standard against Russell, why not MJ against Bird?


BTW, MJ's scoring and effciency took a NOSE-DIVE in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys" (and really, the Pistons were already ina steep decline in the last one.) Shaq's scoring and efficiency took a big time hit against the Spurs in his FIVE playoff series against them. And KAJ...well, how about this...against Wilt and Nate in his FIVE playoff series...a decline of 7 ppg and get this... 11% from the floor.

How come? How come when those "GOATs" went up against fellow "GOATs" and their quality teams...THEIR numbers declined DRAMATICALLY????


BTW, how about Kobe's HUGE decline in FG% in his SEVEN NBA Finals? And in the biggest games of those Finals, he probably shot around 38% (or worse.)

MJ nosedive? LOL, sure when you're the focus of the teams entire defense. Still produced stats that are better than any guard in NBA history.

1988
Series: 27.4 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 4.6 apg on 49.1 %FG/54.9 %TS with 3.6 topg in 42.0 mpg

1989
Series: 29.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.5 apg on 46.0 %FG/56.1 %TS with 3.7 topg in 43.2 mpg


1990
Series: 32.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.3 apg on 46.7 %FG/56.6 %TS with 2.9 topg in 42.3 mpg

These are great stats for ANY guard.

[aj1987]

Irrelevant BS removed.

Why are you bringing up Kobe and MJ. Stop deflecting.

Wilt - 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals. Lost 4 times in the Finals and only 2 rings in 14 seasons. Apparently, to be considered the GOAT, you have to stat pad like crazy instead of playing winning ball.

[LAZERUSS]

Why are you bringing up Kobe and MJ. Stop deflecting.

Wilt - 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals. Lost 4 times in the Finals and only 2 rings in 14 seasons. Apparently, to be considered the GOAT, you have to stat pad like crazy instead of playing winning ball.

Why? Because if MJ, Bird, KAJ, and Shaq had faced their biggest rivals in EIGHT playoff series, and either in the first, or second round, in SEVEN of them...and they for sure would have had MUCH lower offensive numbers, and less rings.

As for Kobe...put him in the Finals, and it was laughable. Put him in his biggest games in the Finals (even in WINS), and he was a complete JOKE.

[deja vu]

Why do you always bring up Wilt's playoffs performance against the Celtics, when Wilt also performed badly against other teams.

Wilt vs. Celtics (playoffs): 23.4 PPG (36 games)
Wilt vs. other teams (playoffs): 22.3 PPG (124 games)

That's the "GOAT" for you folks!

[LAZERUSS]

MJ nosedive? LOL, sure when you're the focus of the teams entire defense. Still produced stats that are better than any guard in NBA history.

1988
Series: 27.4 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 4.6 apg on 49.1 %FG/54.9 %TS with 3.6 topg in 42.0 mpg

1989
Series: 29.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.5 apg on 46.0 %FG/56.1 %TS with 3.7 topg in 43.2 mpg


1990
Series: 32.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.3 apg on 46.7 %FG/56.6 %TS with 2.9 topg in 42.3 mpg

These are great stats for ANY guard.

And Wilt, who was SWARMED by Russell and his Celtics???

So are series of 30.5, 27 rpg, and .500 FG%; 33.6 ppg, 27 rpg, .468; 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517; 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555; 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509; and 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, 10 apg, and .560...which is what a PRIME Chamberlain trashed Russell with in his post-seasons. And yet, those numbers were a decline over his regular season numbers.

Kind of puts that "decline" in a better perspective, doesn't it?

BTW, Wilt's numbers against Russell in his regular season H2H's, and his post-season H2H's with Russell, from '60 thru '68, were nearly identical.

[aj1987]

Why? Because if MJ, Bird, KAJ, and Shaq had faced their biggest rivals in EIGHT playoff series, and either in the first, or second round, in SEVEN of them...and they for sure would have had MUCH lower offensive numbers, and less rings.

As for Kobe...put him in the Finals, and it was laughable. Put him in his biggest games in the Finals (even in WINS), and he was a complete JOKE.

Again, you're claiming that Wilt is the GOAT and most dominant Playoffs player EVER. Still, he couldn't beat his rival. MJ, once he hit his prime, tore up the league.


One last time, Wilt the GOAT and most dominant ever couldn't beat his rivals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 4 Finals. Choked HARD in the Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

Why do you always bring up Wilt's playoffs performance against the Celtics, when Wilt also performed badly against other teams.

Wilt vs. Celtics (playoffs): 23.4 PPG (36 games)
Wilt vs. other teams (playoffs): 22.3 PPG (124 games)

That's the "GOAT" for you folks!

Here were a PRIME Wilt's numbers in his post-season H2H's from '60 thru '67, aside from Russell.

38.7 ppg
37.0 ppg
37.0 ppg
38.6 ppg
27.8 ppg
28.0 ppg
17.5 ppg.

Not many series, and in those, he just crushed his opposing centers. Even that last one is deceptive, since he outscored Thurmond, 17.5 ppg to 14.3 ppg, and outshot him, .560 to .343.

Or about 33 ppg.

And a PRIME Chamberlain against Russell in his SIX playoff series...

30.5 ppg
33.6 ppg
29.2 ppg
30.1 ppg
28.0 ppg
21.6 ppg

Furthermore, that last one is really deceptive since he outscored Russell, 21.6 ppg to 10.2 ppg; outrebounded Russell, 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg; outassisted Russell, 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg; and outshot Russell by a .556 to .358 margin.

Yep...the "declining" Wilt...

[rhowen4]

Jlauber unknowingly is the best MJ hater out there

[Deuce Bigalow]

This guy is still arguing on Wilt's chokingness? Dude it's already been established and well known that Wilt was a choker. Maybe post some FGA and FTA stats while your add it too to prove Wilt's playoff "dominance".

[LAZERUSS]

This guy is still arguing on Wilt's chokingness? Dude it's already been established and well known that Wilt was a choker. Maybe post some FGA and FTA stats while your add it too to prove Wilt's playoff "dominance".

Chamberlain's eFG% and TS%'s were WAY ahead of the NBA post-season league averages.

Furthermore, his EFFECTIVE TS%'s were probably close to 2% higher than his ACTUAL TS%'s, since the FT rules were different in his era.

He had post-season series where he just annihilated the league averages:

For instance in his seven game series against Russell in the 64-65 EDF's:

Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%, and a .583 FT%. His TS% was .560, but likely was actually probably around .580.

The 64-65 post-season league averages were .429 eFG% and .478 TS%.

So, Chamberlain shot an eFG% of .555, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .429, and his TS% was at least .560, in a post-season NBA that shot .478.

BTW, he held Russell to a .447 eFG%, and a TS% of .450.

[aj1987]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3


GOAT choker and statpadder.