The official F Amare Stoudemire thread

**franchize** · 02-21-2015, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by knickscity

I dont think either has done anything noteworthy in a Knicks uniform.

That shouldnt be up for debate...it's obvious.

C'mon dude. I know u hate the guy but damn. Nothing noteworthy? lol I'm not a Kevin Love fan but I'm not gonna say he's a bum.

**bluechox2** · 02-21-2015, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by franchize

C'mon dude. I know u hate the guy but damn. Nothing noteworthy? lol I'm not a Kevin Love fan but I'm not gonna say he's a bum.

watching some of those melo vids...and comparing it to him this year, there is a huge difference in his explosiveness and getting off his smooth silky jumper

i hope his knees can get fixed to how they were 2 years ago..i miss those days

**knickscity** · 02-21-2015, 07:02 PM

I actually dont hate Melo, I question his impact on games when they matter. The top talents rise when it matters, Melo has yet to do so, and while he does put up numbers, those numbers are grossly inefficient.

28 points in the playoffs on 40% shooting and 25 shots is awful....along with 29% from threes with nearly 5 attempts.

He's been dreadful as a Knick in the playoffs, he's really good in the regular season, but at his rate of pay his playoff numbers are refund worthy.

Does that improve given age mileage and recent surgery? I wont bet anything i cherish on it.

**Rameek** · 02-21-2015, 07:25 PM

We've had these conversations before....Whatever Melo is there are but a handful of possible basketball players in the world that could have made this team better under the same circumstances and conditions. Thats Melo's scapegoat to his legacy in NY. The Knicks nor himself could never bring another similarly talented player(s) to NY to combine and form a voltron of some sort. With all Melo terrible intangibles and lack of whatever it will always fall at the feet of management and front office for me 99.9% upstairs.

**knickscity** · 02-21-2015, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rameek

We've had these conversations before....Whatever Melo is there are but a handful of possible basketball players in the world that could have made this team better under the same circumstances and conditions. Thats Melo's scapegoat to his legacy in NY. The Knicks nor himself could never bring another similarly talented player(s) to NY to combine and form a voltron of some sort. With all Melo terrible intangibles and lack of whatever it will always fall at the feet of management and front office for me 99.9% upstairs.

That excuse wont fly starting July 1. With well over 20 mil in cap space, even more if Calderon can be unloaded, if Melo is a player players do desire to play with and Phil and Fisher are guys a player can trust to run a team, then some better guys should come aboard.

I have little confidence in that being the case, but doesnt mean I dont hope for it. I do hope better players sign on.

**franchize** · 02-22-2015, 02:39 AM

Knicks fans often have their noses in the air towards the few star players who are willing to come here, yet can never point out the list of players who are willing to come here and play for the Knicks. At some point you need to look at yourselves are realize NYers (both media and fans) criticism is part of the problem. So every summer, when yall complain about our inability to draw talent, it's time for Knicks fans/media to look themselves in the mirror as part of the problem. Besides playing in the Garden, what exactly do we bring to the table? Just my 2 cents.

**knickscity** · 02-22-2015, 09:03 AM

Players arent turning down the Knicks because of the fans.

The organization is run like shit, thats the main reason why they stay away. Who wants to come to a team that hasnt won anything in 40 years? Only players looking for their guaranteed money grab.

Thats why Amare came here, thats why Melo is still here. If a player truly cares about winning, they rightfully will stay away from the New York Knicks.

**smoovegittar** · 02-22-2015, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by knickscity

Players arent turning down the Knicks because of the fans.

The organization is run like shit, thats the main reason why they stay away. Who wants to come to a team that hasnt won anything in 40 years? Only players looking for their guaranteed money grab.

Thats why Amare came here, that's why Melo is still here. If a player truly cares about winning, they rightfully will stay away from the New York Knicks.

...and herein lies the reason I'm happy to have Phil on board. His ego will not let him run this thing into the ground. He may be big-headed and opinionated, but he has a great mind and feel for the game. Great players who understand the game HAVE to be intrigued by possibilities - but we need to draft well to PROVE this. A reason I'm glad we have another year before the big FA class of '16. This is the reasoning that Jimmy has when he handed him control of the organization.

I agree on your Melo points. He can be a KEY piece in a potent line up, but he's not a leader on or off the court. I'm impartial to whether he stays or leaves - I see pros and cons in either scenario.

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