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Old 11-05-2018, 11:15 PM   #31
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Disturbing stats (advanced) of Brandon Ingram.
12th in VORP,
10th +/-
10th in TS%
10th in overall and offensive win shares etc etc
https://www.basketball-reference.com.../LAL/2019.html
Yes, it's just 10 games but they spent countless hours practicing, film rooms and whole preseason.
He's involved in the very ugly fight=4 game suspension and the disturbing video where he threw his hands and gave up on the play because of frustration over Lebron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDFuLDYjcQ
James will be here for 4 years, how long will Magic wait before he finds out it's not a good fit and when the rest of the league finds out, Ingrams worth will NOT be much.
The next 10 games will be crucial IMO.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:37 PM   #32
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Disturbing stats (advanced) of Brandon Ingram.
12th in VORP,
10th +/-
10th in TS%
10th in overall and offensive win shares etc etc
https://www.basketball-reference.com.../LAL/2019.html
Yes, it's just 10 games but they spent countless hours practicing, film rooms and whole preseason.
He's involved in the very ugly fight=4 game suspension and the disturbing video where he threw his hands and gave up on the play because of frustration over Lebron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDFuLDYjcQ
James will be here for 4 years, how long will Magic wait before he finds out it's not a good fit and when the rest of the league finds out, Ingrams worth will NOT be much.
The next 10 games will be crucial IMO.

Worries me too.. If Kuzma played better defense, Ingram would have been gone by now tbh. Kuzma worries me a bit too with his shot selection and defense but those are things you can work on and be coached on..

Ingram is different. All the talent in the world beyond anything Kuzma has but his head isn't there. Nobody can teach that or coach you on.. You can tell Ingram is trying hard out there but either ends up being too aggressive and costing us possessions OR falling asleep at the wheel and being a zombie.

I'm convinced one of Ingram or Kuzma have to go. We can't have both at a redundant position trying to work through their own set of issues. One of them is going to be moved, I'm almost certain.


Now I wonder if we should have just let Spurs take whoever they wanted for Kawhi.. I would have been like "Take Ingram or Kuzma. And whatever else you want." We may have been better off in the long-run. The way Raptors are playing now, they have potential for a Finals run. If they make finals, oh boy... I don't know where we go if that happens. Kawhi is who we were focused on. Klay is still possible ofc, but he is not an organization changing player that Kawhi is. I don't know..

Maybe if we start winning games, it still may be enough to draw Kawhi. Raptors surely can't keep this up forever. This is a crucial 7-week stretch to get some winning going until January hell-schedule hits for 2 months.
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Old 11-07-2018, 03:01 PM   #33
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Worries me too.. If Kuzma played better defense, Ingram would have been gone by now tbh. Kuzma worries me a bit too with his shot selection and defense but those are things you can work on and be coached on..

Ingram is different. All the talent in the world beyond anything Kuzma has but his head isn't there. Nobody can teach that or coach you on.. You can tell Ingram is trying hard out there but either ends up being too aggressive and costing us possessions OR falling asleep at the wheel and being a zombie.

I'm convinced one of Ingram or Kuzma have to go. We can't have both at a redundant position trying to work through their own set of issues. One of them is going to be moved, I'm almost certain.


Now I wonder if we should have just let Spurs take whoever they wanted for Kawhi.. I would have been like "Take Ingram or Kuzma. And whatever else you want." We may have been better off in the long-run. The way Raptors are playing now, they have potential for a Finals run. If they make finals, oh boy... I don't know where we go if that happens. Kawhi is who we were focused on. Klay is still possible ofc, but he is not an organization changing player that Kawhi is. I don't know..

Maybe if we start winning games, it still may be enough to draw Kawhi. Raptors surely can't keep this up forever. This is a crucial 7-week stretch to get some winning going until January hell-schedule hits for 2 months.
The Houston game where he yelled at the ref, shoved Harden and attacked CP3 was a huge concern for me. You think he's done and learned his lesson but that video where he turned around at the play, faced the bench and threw his hands was appalling.
Magic confronting Luke with strategies etc are not helping esp going to the media before about how Ingram was "untouchable" etc.
If Magic truly wants to help, he'll be meeting with Brandon, include James and Luke if needed and REALLY SORT THIS OUT.
They showed some promise during the preseason games where I saw James feeding BI to his sweet spots....
I always felt that Ingram will be the one who will have to adjust the most because of how he likes to dominate the ball.
Everyone knows James will eventually decline, having a focused Brandon will really help.
I really don't care about Kawhi right now esp after hearing the reports that he's not really a fan of the Lakers growing up. It's beyond their control.
Klay is not alpha but I like the idea of just not acquiring a legit shooter/defender but also the concept of taking him AWAY from your arch rivals.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:23 AM   #34
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the reality that Magic won't face, is that even those show time Lakers, demonstrated characteristics of a John Wooden team because of Kareem Abdul-Jabar

with those discipline, you take the player that can dribble and shoot because he had already mastered how to catch and shoot
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:11 PM   #35
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Chandler is a perfect fit.. He brings defense and rebounding. McGee brings blocking and scoring on offense. Both are experienced vets too.

I would also like the Lakers to try:
McGee or Chandler
LeBron
Kuzma
Ingram
Hart

in crunch minutes. That has potential against certain teams.. I feel like Hart needs to be playing more minutes, especially in crunch time. He is ice cold and needs to be out there last 6 minutes of 4th quarters imo.. Let LeBron or Ingram run the point. If Ingram is a zombie that day like he often is then sit him down on the bench and insert Lonzo for defense.
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:57 PM   #36
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Chandler is a perfect fit.. He brings defense and rebounding. McGee brings blocking and scoring on offense. Both are experienced vets too.

I would also like the Lakers to try:
McGee or Chandler
LeBron
Kuzma
Ingram
Hart

in crunch minutes. That has potential against certain teams.. I feel like Hart needs to be playing more minutes, especially in crunch time. He is ice cold and needs to be out there last 6 minutes of 4th quarters imo.. Let LeBron or Ingram run the point. If Ingram is a zombie that day like he often is then sit him down on the bench and insert Lonzo for defense.
I see your point. Hart is my favorite player but if you watched carefully the last 6 minutes vs TWolves, Rondo made some solid decisions out there.
Ran and then set up Ingram for a 3pt shot.
Set a screen for Kuzma leading to a dunk.
spotted Kuz for another 3. Yes there are times that he gambles too much.
I am not opposed to Bron taking point, it's a matter of creating great set plays and executing them.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:20 PM   #37
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I see your point. Hart is my favorite player but if you watched carefully the last 6 minutes vs TWolves, Rondo made some solid decisions out there.
Ran and then set up Ingram for a 3pt shot.
Set a screen for Kuzma leading to a dunk.
spotted Kuz for another 3. Yes there are times that he gambles too much.
I am not opposed to Bron taking point, it's a matter of creating great set plays and executing them.

Hart is clutch and plays smart down the stretch. He doesn't choke like LeBron or chuck up extremely low-percentage shots like Kuzma. We don't have players like Hart tbh with his strengths..

I think he has to be out there even if you have to take out Kuzma or Ingram. I always want Chandler-LeBron-Hart trifecta out there (or McGee). The other 2 players can vary by game and how they are performing that night. In certain situations you can also take out Chandler (or McGee) and free up 3 slots. Add players from there depending on situation.

^ This hurts us imo. We don't have automatic-starters in crunch minutes beyond LeBron and Hart (maybe Chandler who rarely makes boneheaded mistakes ala McGee lol).. We lack a Butler or Kyrie or Kobe or Rose or Klay or Kawhi.. Those players are ice-cold players you want in crunch time. We only have Hart and LeBron's sheer impact makes him crucial to put out there even if he chokes. I hope we can have a 3rd guy next season to add to that.. I also think Kuzma will become that guy very soon as the 4th clutch guy.

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Old 11-10-2018, 04:03 AM   #38
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The Laker's problem isn't their offense, but having a roster that has length and athleticism at each position, they may be able to try something unconventional, such as actually going after the ball on the defensive end
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