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Old 01-06-2011, 12:57 AM   #31
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:58 AM   #32
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Shaq

Most Dominant Playoff performer ever.

No, that would be Jordan.
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:59 AM   #33
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did he average a triple double?


He almost averaged a triple double in the 1989 NBA Season. 32 ppg, 8 rpg, and 8 apg, 53.8 FG% ( Holy $Hit)
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:00 AM   #34
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Sorry but Jordan isn't the greatest.

The only criteria that puts Jordan #1 is endorsements and popularity.

If you disagree, that is your choice, but please have a well-defined reason as to why Jordan is the best ever. As you will see, for Jordan, there is no standard. His claim to the best ever is based on popularity, media-hype, and endorsements, with a few weak arguments thrown in for good measure.

That's my point. What he did for basketball is what sets him apart from everyone else. Besides it's just an opinion
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:04 AM   #35
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Sorry but Jordan isn't the greatest.

The only criteria that puts Jordan #1 is endorsements and popularity.

If you disagree, that is your choice, but please have a well-defined reason as to why Jordan is the best ever. As you will see, for Jordan, there is no standard. His claim to the best ever is based on popularity, media-hype, and endorsements, with a few weak arguments thrown in for good measure.

Such rubbish.

Jordan was DOMINANT statistically for over a decade by all metrics (only 2 other players in history even compare - Wilt and KAJ; no coincidence they're all considered top 3 players generally).

Jordan has the second most rings of any GOAT candidate, and all of his came as the unequivocal best player on his team. He has two 3-peats to his name, and had a chance to win 8 rings in 8 seasons had he not retired; he won a title in every full season he played after 1990. Staggeringly dominant.

Jordan was a DOMINANT 2-way player, unlike the other non-big GOAT candidates. Had 9 defensve first team selections, a DPOY, and finished top 6 in DPOY voting for like 9 straight seasons. Voted DPOY by the coaches in 3 seasons ('88, '90 and '93).

Jordan has 5 MVP's (second most in history) and would have had 7 if not for voter malaise. He has the highest MVP shares in history.

Jordan holds numerous regular season and playoff records (second most by a large margin over #3).

Jordan is one of only 2-3 players in history who could be legitimately argued as the best player in the league in seasons 10 years apart (KAJ and perhaps Wilt).

Jordan is the best playoff and Finals performer in history, bar none.

Jordan led teams to the best, second best, and 3rd best records of all time.


None of these things have anything to do with "endorsements" or "hype." So my answer is that Jordan is the best player ever.

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Old 01-06-2011, 01:06 AM   #36
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No, that would be Jordan.

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game 2 40- 24 rbs 4 asts
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:08 AM   #37
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No, that would be Jordan.

Shaq had a case for being one of the greatest playoffs and finals performer in NBA History.



2000 Finals

38.0 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.67 bpg .611 FG% 6 games W

2001 Finals

33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 3.40 bpg, .573 FG% 5 games W


2002 Finals

36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.75 bpg, .595 FG% 4 games W

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2000 NBA Playoffs


30.7 ppg on 56.6 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.1 apg, , 2.4 bpg

2001 NBA Playoffs

30.4 ppg on 55.5 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.2 apg, 2.4 bpg,

2002 NBA Playoffs

28.5 ppg on 52.9 FG%, 12.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.6 bpg.

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Old 01-06-2011, 01:12 AM   #38
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Shaq had a case for being one of the greatest playoffs and finals performer in NBA History.



2000 Finals

38.0 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.67 bpg .611 FG% 6 games W

2001 Finals

33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 3.40 bpg, .573 FG% 5 games W


2002 Finals

36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.75 bpg, .595 FG% 4 games W

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2000 NBA Playoffs


30.7 ppg on 56.6 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.1 apg, , 2.4 bpg

2001 NBA Playoffs

30.4 ppg on 55.5 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.2 apg, 2.4 bpg,

2002 NBA Playoffs

28.5 ppg on 52.9 FG%, 12.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.6 bpg.
Eh.. he's been swept out of the playoffs 4 or 5 times and his playoff resume doesn't even touch jordan's.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:15 AM   #39
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Eh.. he's been swept out of the playoffs 4 or 5 times and his playoff resume doesn't even touch jordan's.


You forget Jordan's early years against Boston?
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:25 AM   #40
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It's Jordan, and I'm not going to even bother arguing why, because it's been done to death.

5-time NBA MVP
6-time NBA Champion
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10 All NBA 1st-Team
9 Time NBA All Defensive 1st-Team
1 NBA Defensive Player of the Year Winner
14 All Star Games
2 Olympic Gold Medals
30 PPG in the regular season, and 33.4 PPG in career playoff games.

All i can say is during some of the best times in the NBA, he made both ends of the court, and everyone on it his bitch. End of discussion.

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Old 01-06-2011, 01:37 AM   #41
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Shaq had a case for being one of the greatest playoffs and finals performer in NBA History.



2000 Finals

38.0 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.67 bpg .611 FG% 6 games W

2001 Finals

33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 3.40 bpg, .573 FG% 5 games W


2002 Finals

36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.75 bpg, .595 FG% 4 games W

Playoffs Stats

2000 NBA Playoffs


30.7 ppg on 56.6 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.1 apg, , 2.4 bpg

2001 NBA Playoffs

30.4 ppg on 55.5 FG%, 15.4 ppg, 3.2 apg, 2.4 bpg,

2002 NBA Playoffs

28.5 ppg on 52.9 FG%, 12.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.6 bpg.

Yes, Shaq's best 3 postseasons/Finals compare to Jordan's (though MJ's are still better), but Jordan did it for 6-7 postseasons. That's my point - he's easily the best playoff performer in history.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:56 AM   #42
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Jordan is the greatest ever. Like I've always said, jordan is the onlt player that I can honestly say had no weakness. Every other player has some form of weakness that hurts their ranking
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:56 AM   #43
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my homie dorell or MY SELF
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:24 AM   #44
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Michael Jordan: For what he did for the game of basketball. He made it a global industry. Besides that, it was because he knew the game of basketball better than anyone and combined his skill with his crazy athleticism instead of just relying on his athleticism alone. Forget his numbers, trophy's and records. His mental aspect of basketball is what I respect him for most.


Does he make it a global industry if he played in the mid 60s to 70s instead?

You know, the era before cable tv, mass marketing, endorsements, etc?

I can say with 100% certainty,

no he wouldn't have.





As far as my GOAT,

Kareem. Dominated and knew basketball at every level, not just one.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:25 AM   #45
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Its really hard to pigeon hole it to one cause of the different styles......

All Around: Michael Jordan
Most Dominant: Shaquille O'Neal
Best Pure Shooter: Larry Bird
Most Clutch: Kobe Bryant
Best Passer: John Stockton
Boards: Dennis Rodman

Jaw drop @ no Magic
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