Top 5 Power Forwards of all-time

[White Chocolate]

Duncan
Barkley
Malone
Garnett
McHale

[catzhernandez]

[COLOR="Blue"]1-CHARLES BARKLEY: 6`4 3/4 ft (284-252, 265 lbs mostly)

"Multi-Positional" PF (Bird and Magic..examples)

- Most Talented PF of All Time

- Greatest Offensive Skill Wise Powerforward of All Time by Miles

- Shot 58.13% for his Season Career on 21.6 PPG and 55.13....2-Point FG% for his Play-Off Career on 22.5 PPG...Shows You How Unstoppable He Really Was in his Prime.

- Most All Around Skilled Offensive PF of All Time: Second Best "Post Player" at the PF Spot Ever (after McHale), Best "Fadeaway Shooter", Best "Off The Dribble 1 on 1 Player Scorer", Best "Spin Moves Ever" (Precusor of Shaq`s Black Tornados), Great "Mid Range Shooter", Best Ballhandling and Most Famous for his "Coast to Coasts" Dunks and Passes like no other PF.

- Most Unstoppable Offensively PF of All Time as Whole

*Most Doubled Teamed and Sometimes Tripled Teamed Player of the Late 80s and Early 90s by Help of Perimeter Players

*Player that Created Most Ilegal Defenses of the Late 80s and Early 90ss

- Second Most Skilled "Offensive Post Player"
- Better "Rebounder" than Tim and Karl
- Better "Passer" than Tim and Karl
- Second Best Assiter (but he was the one most doubled teamed and that recieved most defensive rotations)
- Best "Game Creator" at the PF Spot Ever! (Ballhandling and Guard Instincts)
- Bestr Floor Defender at the PF Spot Ever!
- Highest SPG Avg than Any Other PF Ever!
- Fourth or Fifth Post Best Post Defender
- Superior Shot Blocker than Karl...
- Clutch Play: Along Wilt Chamberlain the Players with Most 40 Pts and 20 Rbd games in Play-Offs History Per Game Played.
- Intimidation: Best of All Pfs Ever!
- Athletically:

1st Most Potent of the Top 5 PFs of All Time! by Far!
1st Strongest In the Low Post of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Strongest As a Finisher (Malone 1st) of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Strongest Facing the Basket 1 on 1
1st Fastest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Quickest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Most Agil (Garnett 1st) of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Leaper of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th in Wingspam of the Top 5 PFs of All Time


* TOP 5 STATISTICAL +/- PLayer of All Time
* TOP 10 EFF (Fundamentals and All Around Skills) Player of All Time
* TOP 9 SEAON PER Player of All Time (Impact)
* TOP 8 PLAY-OFF PER Player of All Time (Impact)

Flaws:

-Lazy on Post Defense in the Beggining of the Game
-Excesive 3-Point FGAs
-Off Court Indiscipline and Work Ethics

Team Flaws:

*Weak Supporting Cast after Moses left Phily beyond 86 (Aging Team, Julius 34-37 years old). No Interior Defending Help (No Eaton, No Robinson) and The Game was Not Designed for Him Initially in Phily.[/COLOR]

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[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]2-Tim Duncan: 6`11 3/4 ft (248-260 lbs)

CF

- Best "Interior Defending" PF of All Time
- Fourth Best "Offensive Impact" PF of All Time
- Third Best "Offensive Skillwise" PF of All Time (Barkley and McHale are 1st and 2nd): Great Ballhandler for his 6`11 3/4 ft frame and Second or Third Best 1 on 1 Offensive Game PF of All Time
-Third Most Skilled Post PF of All Time
- Fourth "Most Unstoppable" PF of All Time as Whole
- Fourth "Most Unstoppable in the "Open Floor"
- Second or Third Best "Rebounder" of the Top 5 PFs (Barkley 1st)
- Third Best "Offensive Post Player" of the Top 5 PFs (McHale and Barkley are 1st and 2nd)
- Best "Shot Blocker" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- 3rd Best Assister
- Good Game Creator and Passer for his Height
- Second Best Clutch PF of All Time
- Fourth Most Intimidating
- Athletically:

4th Most Potent of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Strongest In the Low Post of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Strongest As a Finisher of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Strongest Facing the Basket 1 on 1 of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Fastest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Quickest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Most Agil (Garnett 1st)
4th Leap of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Wingspam of the Top 5 PFs of All Time

* TOP 18 STATISTICAL +/- PLayer of All Time
* TOP 18 EFF (Fundamentals and All Around Skills) Player of All Time
* TOP 7 SEAON PER Player of All Time (Impact)
* TOP 4 PLAY-OFF PER Player of All Time (Impact)

Flaws:

-Weak Floor Defender (Too Slow)
-Not Intimidating Enough
-Not Very Athletic

Team Flaws:

- None[/COLOR]

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[COLOR="Navy"]3- Karl Malone: 6`9 ft (257-270 lbs)

Classical PF

- Most "Unstoppable" In The "Open Floo"r of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Second "Most Unstoppalbe" PF of All Time as Whole
- Third Best "Offensive Impact" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Fourth Best "Offensive Skill Wise" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time: Third Best Mid Range Shot and 4th Best Offensive 1 on 1 PF of All Time...Usually lived off Fadeaways and Finishest (Pick and Rolls, Fast Breaks)
- Fourth Best "Offensive Post Player" of the Top 5 PFs (McHale and Barkley are 1st and 2nd, Duncan 3rd)
-Third Best Mid Range Shooter of the Top 5 PFs of All Time (Barkley and McHale 1st and 2nd)
- Second Best "Fadeaway Shooter" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time (Barkley 1st)
- Third Best "Rebounder"
- Third Best "Floor Defender"
- Second Highest SPG Avg from the PF Spot of All Time
- Second Best "FT Shooter" of of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Third Best Passing PF of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Thir Best Assister
- Above Average Game Creator
- Second Most Intimidating
- Athletically:

2nd Most Potent of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Strongest In the Low Post of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Strongest As a Finisher of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Strongest Facing the Basket 1 on 1 of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Fastest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Quickest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Most Agil (Garnett 1st, Barkley 2nd) of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Leap of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Wingspam of the Top 5 PFs of All Time

* TOP 16 STATISTICAL +/- PLayer of All Time
* TOP 17 EFF (Fundamentals and All Around Skills) Player of All Time
* TOP 12 SEAON PER Player of All Time (Impact)
* TOP 29 PLAY-OFF PER Player of All Time (Impact)

Flaws:

- Offensively Skillwise Lacking for his 1st Years (Average Ball Handler for a PF, Hard Time Designign his Own Shot Initially before Developing his Fadeaway)
- Not a Great Shot Blocker
- Not a Clutch Player
- Not The Highest of B-Ball IQs

Team Flaws:

-Needed More "Multi-Positional" Player Types (since he and Stockton where not: they where pure PFs and PGs)[/COLOR]

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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]4-Kevin Garnett: 7`0 (220-237 lbs)

Semi "Multi Positional" SF/PF

- Best "All Around Defensive" PF of All Time!
- Third Best Interior Defender PF of All Time
- Fifth Best "Offensive Impact" PF of All Time
- Fifth "Most Unstoppable" PF of All Time
- Third Best "Offensive Skillwise" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time: Ballhandling, Passing Game, Agility, Speed, Quickness, Potence and 7`0 frame helped create missmatches: 4th Best Mid Range Shot and Second or Third in 1 on 1 Offensive Game Siutations of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
-Third Best "Finisher" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Fifth Best "Offensive Post Player" of the Top 5 PFs
- Second or Third Best Rebounder of the Top 5 PFs of All TIme
- Second Best Passing Game
- Best Assiter due to Missmatches
- Great Game Creator
- Third Most Intimidating
- Athletically:

3rd Most Potent of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Strongest In the Low Post of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Strongest As a Finisher of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Strongest Facing the Basket 1 on 1 of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
3rd Fastest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Quickest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Most Agil (Garnett 1st) of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Leap of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
2nd Wingspam of the Top 5 PFs of All Time


Flaws:

- Lacking Offensive Impact
- Unclutch Offensively
- No Real Post Game

Team Flaws:

-Weak Casts all his Life untill Boston[/COLOR]

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[COLOR="darkgreen"]Kevin McHale: 6`10 ft (225-240 lbs)

FC

- Most "Skilled Offensive Post Play PF" of All Time
- 2nd Best "Interior Defender" PF of All Time
- 2nd Best "Offensive Impact" PF of All Time
- 4th "Most Unstoppable" PF of All Time
- Fifth "Offensive Skillwise" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time: Lacking Ballhandling, Lacking Passing Game, Average Agility, Lacking Speed, Lacking Quickness and Lacking Potence...Lived Off the Post : but thats ok becaue he is the Second in "Offensive Impact" , "Most Skilled Post Player" PF of All Time and had the Second Best Mid Range Shot *Im his Prime 1st)
- Fifth "Finisher" of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Best FT Shooter of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Fifth Third Best Rebounder of the Top 5 PFs of All TIme
- Fifth Passing Game of the Top 5 PFs of All TIme
- Fifth Assiter Missmatches of the Top 5 PFs of All TIme
- Fifth Game Creator of of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
- Third Most Clutch (Prooven in the Finals!)
- Athletically:

5th Most Potent of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
4th Strongest In the Low Post of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Strongest As a Finisher of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Strongest Facing the Basket 1 on 1 of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Fastest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Quickest of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Most Agil (Garnett 1st) of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
5th Leap of the Top 5 PFs of All Time
1st Wingspam of the Top 5 PFs of All Time (8 ft Wingspam!)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]* STATISTICAL +/- PLayer of All Time
* EFF (Fundamentals and All Around Skills) Player of All Time
* SEASON PER Player of All Time (Impact)
* PLAY-OFF PER Player of All Time (Impact)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkred"]Can`t Be Masured because he Played in an Era of Great Stacked Up Teams: He was Second or Third Offensive Fiddle Up Untill the 1985-86 Season. Parish Top 5 C of the Early 80s, Bird 1st or 2nd Best SF of the 80s, DJ Top 5 Best PGs of the Early 80s etc[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Flaws:

-Weak Floor Defender (too slow)
-Not Very Athletic
-Not A Great Rebounder or Passer
-Not an Intimidator[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkgreen"]Team Flaws:

Absolutley None![/COLOR]

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[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley is the Only Player to be in Top 10 in Statistical +/-, EFF and PER....

Barkley = Greatest PF of All Time [/COLOR]

How do people hate this poster?

Sure Sir Charles can go overboard with his man crush on Barkley, but Christ, look at all of this info he's posting, and the effort he puts in to every single post.

You're awesome man. Nice post.

[JtotheIzzo]

1-Duncan
2(tie)-Barkley
2(tie)-Malone
4-Garnett
5-Sam Perkins (woot woot!)

[mattevans11]

funny how sir charles has that list somewhere to cut and paste into this topic that comes up at least once a month.

well done sir,

1. barkley
2. duncan
3 malone






345ish. dirk (get real)

[Sir Charles]

Thanks for your support...

Forgot to put Garnett`s EFF, PER and Statistical +/- but he is around Malone level...so for Greatest PF Ever its realy only:

[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley [/COLOR]and [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Duncan...[/COLOR] in the a contest ([COLOR="Blue"]believe it idiot kids who hate on Barkley because you saw the NBA Post 1996![/COLOR])

My job is to erase this constant underrating done on Barkley over the years...through clear evidence (EFF, PER and Statiscal +/- and Sorrunding Casts say I am righ)...and remined iditos of today! especially kids that did not watch the NBA before 1996= how much better Barkley was than people think becaase they saw a 1996-2000 back crippled and fat-aged Barkley not the one before....

Malone better than Barkley? Almost laughable...to me.. There is simpley no aspect other than FT Shooting in which he was better ...While Barkley was Clearly at 95% of All other Aspects Better. I saw them both play IN THEIR PRIMES and between ages 22 and 32...it was no contest!!!. Yes no Contest!.

Barkley did not take care of his body = True but that has nothing to do with a players impact or skills. So after the 1995-96 season Malone took over....but lets not forget what we all saw before . Hard for Jazz fans ofcourse ...but i understand in the same way Charles was hated and envied during his Prime (because he was simply just god-like and did not suck up to anyone!)

[Brunch@Five]

Dirk is better than McHale. I don't recall McHale ever actually leading a team as a #1 option and excelling

[Lebron23]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Bob Pettit
6. Willis Reed
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Bob Mcadoo
10. Kevin Mchale/Jerry Lucas

[Horatio33]

Sir Charles, if barkley is better than a guy who has led his team to 4 titles, where are barkley's rings?

also you said duncan had no team flaws. check the rosters and watch the first 2 title teams. Parker was subbed for SPEEDY CLAXTON in fourth quarters in 2003 because parker couldnt cope then. manu wasnt a prime time player yet. 1999 roster shows how duncan dragged that team to the title.

[zabuza666]

So how's Barkley's defense going?

[Sir Charles]

Barkley is the Only PF there to be in Top 10 in Statistical +/-, EFF and PER....that has to say more than just something .... in the same way Lebron James has been seen as the Best By Many (None Kobe Groupies) as the Best over the Last 2-3 Years....and Again this Year...

Strangely enough...when everyone talks about the All Time Greats: Wilt, Jabbar, Russel, Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, Bird, Dr J, Magic, Baylor, Big O...They Usually if not ALWAYS!!! Appear Atleast in 1-2 of These 3 Categories: Top of EFF, PER and Statistical +/-.....

mmm lets think..

But...If its Barkley....Yes the undersized fat PF that talks alot and makes people pissed, happy or sometimes a simple would be nice...then no no no ....he can`t be there!!! he can`t!!!

Even though the people who saw his impact LIVE ON T.V had warned that IT WAS THAT WAY! (even those who hated him deep with in accepted that and Always Shut There Mouths)...and ofcourse Yes !!! They where Happy that he could no longer play after 1996

Barkley is The Best PF Ever. Get that Straight...If you wan`t to make an Argument on Duncan yes..but Malone? Get Real!

[Horatio33]

i used to love charles barkley until sir charles over the top posts about how great he is. read Breaking The Rules, it paints a picture of a lazy, uninterested player, kinda like most off his career.

we know barkley is underrated, was undersized, had great PER. check this. they never had PER until the last couple of years. before then, we ranked players on how they played and their points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. apart from youtube, have you ever watched games with barkley involved? i dont see it, otherwise you would stop using stats all the time and how players play. like bird's craftyness, magic's out of this world vision, duncan's consistancy, moses' relentlessness and russell and jordan's will to win. most times it comes down to more than stats.

so on paper barkley's career 22.1 ppg, 11.7rpg, 3.9ast and 0.8blk on .541%fg will look better than duncan's stats 21.4ppg, 11.7rpg, 3.2ast and 2.4blk on .507%fg that will decline over the next few years, but can you messure leadership? barkley coming into training camp overweight, legal troubles, and too honest personality that could hurt teammates or duncan's lack of controversy, quiet leadership and how his teammates respect him.

sorry bout the rant and lack of focus, im just sick of sir charles eroding my love for barkley

[Sir Charles]

i used to love charles barkley until sir charles over the top posts about how great he is. read Breaking The Rules, it paints a picture of a lazy, uninterested player, kinda like most off his career.

we know barkley is underrated, was undersized, had great PER. check this. they never had PER until the last couple of years. before then, we ranked players on how they played and their points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. apart from youtube, have you ever watched games with barkley involved? i dont see it, otherwise you would stop using stats all the time and how players play. like bird's craftyness, magic's out of this world vision, duncan's consistancy, moses' relentlessness and russell and jordan's will to win. most times it comes down to more than stats.

I watched Barkley live almost every week from 1991 to 96 (said the Suns would make it to the finals in 93 even before the season started against all odds...right when Charles got traded, also preceeded Hakeem`s Domination over D-Rob in 95 before the series started etc)....then eventually from 1997-98...cause i knew he couldn`t even play anymore so i stopped watching the NBA..except for the play-offs. I never watched his retirment either

so on paper barkley's career 22.1 ppg, 11.7rpg, 3.9ast and 0.8blk on .541%fg will look better than duncan's stats 21.4ppg, 11.7rpg, 3.2ast and 2.4blk on .507%fg that will decline over the next few years, but can you messure leadership? barkley coming into training camp overweight, legal troubles, and too honest personality that could hurt teammates or duncan's lack of controversy, quiet leadership and how his teammates respect him.

So? I don`t mind Duncan`s stats they are asoume any how in my opinion Duncan is the Smartest Player in the NBA right now and Top 5 (better than Kobe still)....if Barkley had a a Guard like Stockton: Unselfish that though Team 1st and Exploit the Best Offensive Weapon CHucks PPG and FG% would have been higher...and if he had D-Rob inside the Paint or Mark Eaton he would have gotten interior help and wouldn`t have had to destroyed his back and energy so much...

sorry bout the rant and lack of focus, im just sick of sir charles eroding my love for barkley

Sorry man but i am sick (over a decade now) of idiots saying Malone was Better which is false...i saw them both in their primes and ill agree with a 1996-2000 Malone better but not before...and others who don`t agree with me either hate Chuck = Most of the NBA and Fans Back Then ..or ar Jazz Fans (totally acceptable)

My job is to expose the underrating of Sir Charles.

It has been a constant through this decade...so i make my points and very few can rival me because they know im right most of the time! but then the hating on Sir Charles (promoted since the late 80s) stars...and they say no no no it can`t be

YES IT CAN!
YES IT WAS!

[Dasher]

Bob Petit and Elvin Hayes should be in the top 5.

[miles berg]

1. Tim Duncan
2a. Charles Barkley
2b. Karl Malone
4a. Kevin Garnett
4b. Dirk Nowitzki

[Shep]

If you think Dirk is better than Charles, you're a ****ing tard.

nowitzki has had a much better career than barkley