GM's don't know how to build around today's star PG's

[3ball]

Those four and Bosh were call capable of making plays and creating shots for themselves and others.

You're misunderstanding - the point of the thread is that point guards need MORE playmaking teammates than bird-fed ones to win a championship - just like Isiah, Tony Parker, and Chauncey Billups - these are the only star PG's to win a championship and they all had more playmaking teammates than bird-fed ones.

Otoh, guys like CP3 and Nash have always had more bird-fed teammates than playmaking ones, so they are forced to undertake too much of the playmaking responsibility, which isn't a winning strategy for the team.. A point guard can't win by RUNNING the team, they can only win by fitting into the team, like Isiah, Chauncey, and Parker.

But this only applies to point guards - NON-point guards frequently win rings with more bird-fed guys than playmakers - see MJ, Shaq, Dirk, Hakeem, etc.. Due to their physical stature, these guys were simply capable of dominating far more than a point guard ever could and therefore could win with a bunch of bird-fed teammates (unlike point guards, who can't win with too many bird-fed teammates).

You even said it was better to have the point guard dominate the ball all game than to have four guys sharing that responsibility.

I never said that - that's the opposite of what I've always said.. have better reading comp
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[livinglegend]

You're misunderstanding - the point of the thread is that point guards need MORE playmaking teammates than bird-fed ones to win a championship - just like Isiah, Tony Parker, and Chauncey Billups - these are the only star PG's to win a championship and they all had more playmaking teammates than bird-fed ones.

Otoh, guys like CP3 and Nash have always had more bird-fed teammates than playmaking ones, so they are forced to undertake too much of the playmaking responsibility, which isn't a winning strategy for the team.

But this only applies to point guards - NON-point guards frequently win rings with more bird-fed guys than playmakers - see MJ, Shaq, Dirk, Hakeem, etc.. Due to their physical stature, these guys were simply capable of dominating far more than a point guard ever could.



I never said that - that's the opposite of what I've always said.. have better reading comp

It's easier said than done.
It's hard to find cheap players who are good shooters and who are also playmakers.
As far as Nash is concerned, I thought he had guys who could create for themselves: Joe Johson, Marion, Amare... They were not playmakers, but didn't necessarily need to be bird-feed.

[3ball]

Btw, it's a testament to a guy like Isiah, that he assimilated his game with his teammates so well..

In the playoffs, his WS/48 increased significantly, which showed that the way his team got better and matched the higher competition in the playoffs was by coalescing around their leader's game and getting more out of HIM..

Otoh, guys like Nash and CP3 are already making all the playmaking - their teams can't get better by having them dominate the ball and the decision-making more than they already were.. Not surprisingly, the WS/48 of these guys decreases significantly in the playoffs - that's what happens whan a point guard has too many bird-fed teammates and is forced to RUN his team, rather than fit into this team.
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