Duncan lost in the first round as a 1 seed

[3ball]

MJ would have lost in 2014, because the Heat got crushed on defense through a barrage of historic three point shooting.

MJ never faced a team like that who could hit 15-20 threes a game and play elite defense at the same time.

You're wrong because the Spurs only blew out the 14' Heat like that

The Heat beat the exact same team the previous year, and Dallas almost beat them in the 1st round of 14'.

Here's the reality - if Lebron-ball was still putting the 14' Spurs' defense on their heels like in 2013, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten hot like that on offense.

The Spurs had simply figured out Lebron-ball, which no longer gave them any issues or wore them down defensively, so they had abnormally-high energy and confidence on offense..

it was like a boxer that realizes they can take the opponent's power.. they start teeing off like the Spurs did..

im telling you, Lebron-ball is a joke and he's a fraud, manufactured/colluded star.. that's why all his Finals loss end in 3 straight, decisive defeats - teams simply figure out bron-ball.. heck, MJ didn't lose 3 staught for 8 years lol!

[SpaceJam2]

Only MJ never lost as a 1 or 2 seed

Whereas normal humans like Magic, Lebron, Bird, Kareem, etc lost 5+ times each (Kareem 9 times)

The goat isn't supposed to lose with a good team, and only MJ fulfilled this goat requirement

Oh wait this thread is about Duncan.. my bad
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1-9 before Pippen tho...

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[StrongLurk]

You're wrong because the Spurs only blew out the 14' Heat like that

The Heat beat the exact same team the previous year, and Dallas almost beat them in the 1st round of 14'.

Here's the reality - if Lebron-ball was still putting the 14' Spurs' defense on their heels like in 2013, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten hot like that on offense.

The Spurs had simply figured out Lebron-ball, which no longer gave them any issues or wore them down defensively, so they had abnormally-high energy and confidence on offense..

it was like a boxer that realizes they can take the opponent's power.. they start teeing off like the Spurs did..

im telling you, Lebron-ball is a joke and he's a fraud, manufactured/colluded star.. that's why all his Finals loss end in 3 straight, decisive defeats - teams simply figure out bron-ball.. heck, MJ didn't lose 3 staught for 8 years lol!

This post literally makes zero sense. We are talking about defense and you claim lebron-ball (offense) is the problem for defense. You're not making any sense.

3 point shooting is high variation and a good 3 point shooting team can absolutely shoot cold in a series and then extremely hot in the next. The Spurs team were elite all around, so them exploding with threes was just too much.

Matchups are important in basketball. It's why some great teams go to 7 games in the second round but then win the CFs and Finals in 5 games. Raptors this year BARELY beat the Sixers in the SECOND ROUND.

Heat in 2012 beat the Celtics in 7...yet beat a BETTER team in the 2012 Thunder in 5. Cavs in 2018 were taken to seven games in the 1st round...yet SWEPT the better Raptors (than Pacers) in the next round. These are just quick examples off the top of my head.

You're trash as a poster brah.

[3ball]

This post literally makes zero sense. We are talking about defense and you claim lebron-ball (offense) is the problem for defense. You're not making any sense.

3 point shooting is high variation and a good 3 point shooting team can absolutely shoot cold in a series and then extremely hot in the next. The Spurs team were elite all around, so them exploding with threes was just too much.

Matchups are important in basketball. It's why some great teams go to 7 games in the second round but then win the CFs and Finals in 5 games. Raptors this year BARELY beat the Sixers in the SECOND ROUND.

Heat in 2012 beat the Celtics in 7...yet beat a BETTER team in the 2012 Thunder in 5. Cavs in 2018 were taken to seven games in the 1st round...yet SWEPT the better Raptors (than Pacers) in the next round. These are just quick examples off the top of my head.

You're trash as a poster brah.

The Heat beat the same Spurs team in 2013 as the FAVORITE in the matchup, and confirmed their advantage by winning the series.

So you're argument is false - the Heat's younger core and greater athleticism had the matchup edge, yet they went from winning in 13' to losing in 14' by more than anyone else ever did.. They lost by much more than any matchup gap you conjure or the odds predicted (the odds were basically even in 14'.. 21/20 Spurs)

And the normally quiet Duncan called it before the series even started... The Spurs only went off on the Heat because the Heat was the team they had solved... You should accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs..

once the opponent is comfortable and not getting worn down defensively, they start teeing off offensively.. lebron can only win the attrition battle like that against weak teams like the raptors, while his teams lose the attrition battle against even Dwight Howard, let alone the Spurs.. lebron-ball is simply cancer.. wait and see how it ultimately takes down this Lakers franchise

[StrongLurk]

The Heat beat the same Spurs team in 2013 as the FAVORITE in the matchup, and confirmed their advantage by winning the series.

So you're argument is false - the Heat's younger core and greater athleticism had the matchup edge, yet they went from winning in 13' to losing in 14' by more than anyone else ever did.. They lost by much more than any matchup gap you conjure or the odds predicted (the odds were basically even in 14'.. 21/20 Spurs)

And the normally quiet Duncan called it before the series even started... The Spurs only went off on the Heat because the Heat was the team they had solved... You should accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs..

once the opponent is comfortable and not getting worn down defensively, they start teeing off offensively.. lebron can only win the attrition battle like that against weak teams like the raptors, while his teams lose the attrition battle against even Dwight Howard, let alone the Spurs.. lebron-ball is simply cancer.. wait and see how it ultimately takes down this Lakers franchise

Once again, you are saying the Heat lost because of their OFFENSE, when they clearly lost because of their DEFENSE.

You are just conveniently ignoring the large variation of three point shooting and playoff matches.

PLENTY of championship teams struggle early in the playoffs more than they do in the CF or even finals.

It's so easy to refute the vast majority of your points because you are just an obsessed loser troll and contradict yourself over and over depending on who you are arguing for or against.

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1-9 before Pippen tho...

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Irrelevant before collusion though...

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[3ball]

Once again, you are saying the Heat lost [COLOR="Navy"]because of their OFFENSE[/COLOR], when they clearly lost because of their DEFENSE.

You're wrong again because the Heat drastically underperformed on offense in the 2014 Finals (104 ortg in the Finals, compared to 111 in regular season)

So Lebron-ball was solved in 2014 and didn't wear down the Spurs like it had in 2013 - since the Spurs weren't getting disorganized or worn down defensively anymore, they went bananas on offense..

otoh - a confused, on-their-heels, or worn-down defense can't get hot offensively.. it's the attrition battle and Lebron-ball is poor at winning that battle on the championship level.

Again you should accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs.

You are just conveniently ignoring the large variation of three point shooting and playoff matches.

The Spurs only got hot like that against the Heat because that's the team they'd solved - there was no large variation in the other series and teams don't have swings that massive from series to series.

you're just making things up at this point.

PLENTY of championship teams struggle early in the playoffs more than they do in the CF or even finals.

Who cares - Lebron lost by record amount despite the odds being even and he shouldn't have lost at all (and infact won the prior year).

[StrongLurk]

You're wrong again because the Heat drastically underperformed on offense in the 2014 Finals (104 ortg in the Finals, compared to 111 in regular season)

So Lebron-ball was solved in 2014 and didn't wear down the Spurs like it had in 2013 - since the Spurs weren't getting disorganized or worn down defensively anymore, they went bananas on offense..

otoh - a confused, on-their-heels, or worn-down defense can't get hot offensively.. it's the attrition battle and Lebron-ball is poor at winning that battle on the championship level.

Again you should accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs.



The Spurs only got hot like that against the Heat because that's the team they'd solved - there was no large variation in the other series and teams don't have swings that massive from series to series.

you're just making things up at this point.



Who cares - Lebron lost by record amount despite the odds being even and he shouldn't have lost at all (and infact won the prior year).

Wrong again, the Spurs ORTG was much higher in the finals, they won mostly because of their 3 point shooting hitting everything in sight. Lebron himself played great on offense.

The rest of your post is bullshit, narrative that you make up in your head

All you can do is respond with more drivel so I'm done with you in the thread.

Next please.

[Real14]

Duncan is indeed overrated

[3ball]

Wrong again, the Spurs ORTG was much higher in the finals, they won mostly because of their 3 point shooting hitting everything in sight. Lebron himself played great on offense.

The rest of your post is bullshit, narrative that you make up in your head

All you can do is respond with more drivel so I'm done with you in the thread.

Next please.

You made shit up anyway - you originally said the Spurs were a bad matchup - then I pointed out the Heat were favored in 13' and won, so you abandoned that argument.

You claimed the Heat's defense was the reason for the loss - I point out that the Heat drastically underachieved their normal ortg, so now you have no other argument

Going forward, accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs.. Then you won't think it's a random occurrence when some team starts going off on them

[StrongLurk]

You made shit up anyway - you originally said the Spurs were a bad matchup - then I pointed out the Heat were favored in 13' and won, so you abandoned that argument.

You claimed the Heat's defense was the reason for the loss - I point out that the Heat drastically underachieved their normal ortg, so now you have no other argument

Going forward, accept that low-diversity offenses like CP3/Lebron/Nash become easy for the best teams to defend in the adjustment-friendly playoffs.. Then you won't think it's a random occurrence when some team starts going off on them

I literally never said the bolded.

Also yes, the Spurs crushed the Heat's defense more than the Heat and Lebron specifically struggled on offense.

I know you don't watch basketball anyways. If you did, you would have WATCHED the 2014 finals and seen the Spurs torching the Heat.

You should just focus on other threads on this point, you look bad.

Next please.

[Smoke117]

Duncan also lost in the first round as the defending champion. Scottie Pippen, meanwhile, lost the best player in the league and took the Knicks to a 7 games in a series in the second round where the Bulls got screwed over by a terrible call.

[3ball]

Duncan also lost in the first round as the defending champion. Scottie Pippen, meanwhile, lost the best player in the league and took the Knicks to a 7 games in a series in the second round where the Bulls got screwed over by a terrible call.

Do you realize the level of basketball the Bulls were playing after 3-peating?

You think it's the same level of basketball the 89' Bulls would've played without Jordan?

Is that what you think??...

[Smoke117]

Do you realize the level of basketball the Bulls were playing after 3-peating?

You think it's the same level of basketball the 89' Bulls would've played without Jordan?

Is that what you think??...

What is this supposed to mean? What do the 89 bulls have to do with anything? Pippen wasn't 1/3rd of the player he was in 89 compared to 94.

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What is this supposed to mean? What do the 89 bulls have to do with anything? [COLOR="DarkRed"]Pippen wasn't 1/3rd of the player he was in 89 compared to 94.[/COLOR]

Even if he was, they weren't winning 55 games - they only won 47 with Jordan

It's pretty dumb to do basketball analysis under the assumption that teamwork and brand of ball doesn't exist and isn't a factor... yet that's what you Lebron stans do