These Cavs would be ridiculously better with Jordan instead of Lebron

[RRR3]

Alex English was better than Jordan

[AirBonner]

Westbrook>Jordan

[RRR3]

Boris Diaw>Jordan tbh.

More skilled.

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Nah. Would probably get swept by the pistons.

[3ball]

A better passer and more dangerous [COLOR="Red"]in the Bird Magic vein[/COLOR]

Jordan, Bird and Lebron average within 1.0 assists of each other in the playoffs (5.7, 6.4, and 6.7, respectively)

Therefore, they're all in the same vein, and FAR below Magic's 12.5 apg "vein".

Jordan, Bird, and Lebron are nowhere near Magic as a passer.

there's no one more versatile than Lebron James.

Jordan played far better [COLOR="blue"]DEFENSE[/COLOR]:

Jordan never let role players score 10 ppg above their average like Lebron did in 2014 and 2015 Finals.

Jordan was also DPOY in 1988, which is the exact time period that you think Lebron would've done better.

Jordan played far better [COLOR="Red"]OFFENSE[/COLOR]:

he scored 5.5 more points in the playoffs on better efficiency, with only 1 less assist on fewer turnovers

So Jordan was superior on both ends, but you're harping on Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds)??.... RIDICULOUS

Jordan scored more

Jordan didn't just "score more".. He scored WAAAY more... Specifically:

No all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers......... EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in scoring BY AT LEAST 10 PPG for every series of his career - let that sink in (edit: there were 2 series where Jordan only led by 7 ppg and 5 ppg).

Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the greatest load ever carried.
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I would love to see that bald f[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]ggot hold his team back from winning in the playoffs. I mean one for nine? Really?

Just not seeing it OP.

[3ball]

You keep giving one off situations

You think it's just one example?...

In the 2014 Finals, Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45% (his regular averages).

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3 and couldn't persevere - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

[3ball]

Lebron would've done better with those early Bulls' teams.

The GOAT impact on a [COLOR="blue"]LOTTERY[/COLOR] team

In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a lottery roster and headed nowhere - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. Massive difference.

Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.

Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here.

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:

"[COLOR="navy"]When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting[/COLOR]".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team

[Lebron23]

Lebron with those early Bulls team = Conference Finals.

[3ball]

Lebron with those early Bulls team = Conference Finals.

Let me get this straight:

Lebron embarrassed himself with 22 ppg on 35% against the 2007 Spurs, AND he lost to the 2009 Magic, but you think he could beat the all-time great 1986 and 1987 Celtics?

And in 1988, Jordan was DPOY while averaging 35 ppg... Lebron can't do that, so how can he match anything Jordan did that year?.. Btw, Jordan was scoring champ while also being 1st team all defense 9 times - no one else has done it more than twice.

Lebron with those early Bulls team

You've forgotten what happened in 2009: Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games... Compare that to the 1989 Bulls, who only added enough help on top of Jordan's 33/8/8 to win 47 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 wins can't due ONLY to inferior competition - it's due to weaker supporting cast as well.

[Lebron23]

Jordan is a career loser without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron might win his 3rd NBA title this year without Riley, Wade and Bosh.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jordan is a career loser without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron might win his 3rd NBA title this year without Riley, Wade and Bosh.

Whats up bro?

I disagree with that statement.

[3ball]

Jordan is a career loser without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron might win his 3rd NBA title this year without Riley, Wade and Bosh.

Do you realize that no all-time great has ever led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers?

EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team [COLOR="DarkRed"]by at least 10 ppg[/COLOR] for every series of his career - let that sink in - Jordan had the least help BY FAR of any all-time great.. It isn't remotely close.

Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the greatest load ever carried.. Show me someone who tops that... You can't boss.. ..