Facts about "1-9" (for reference purposes)

[3ball]

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MJ went 1-9 as an 8 seed, whereas Lebron never had less than a 4 seed in the playoffs..

We don't know how lebron would do with a low-seeded cast, like if his 9-seed had been an 8 seed in 2005, and faced the champion pistons in the first round... But we can guess that he'd get swept the same way with an 8 seed as he got swept with a 2 seed and 4 seed (07', 18'), and record loss with a 2 seed (14')..

obviously, if you get swept by champs as a high seed, why wouldn't it happen as a low seed?.. it's a knock on lebron that he got demolished/swept with 2 seeds, and MJ only 8 seeds.

Ultimately, we can't compare Lebron's 1-4 seeds to Jordan's 8 seeds, but we know that jordan's 1-4 seeds greatly outperformed Lebron's.. MJ never lost as 1 or 2 seed (6/6), while lebron lost with a 1 or 2 seed six times (including various sweeps and record losses)

And people will say that MJ should've prevailed by simply achieving better teams/seeds like lebron did, but that negates any "competition" argument, since lebron should've prevailed in the Finals by achieving a better team beforehand as well. The objective is always to BE the better/favored team, not a worse team that must complain about "comp".. unfortunately, lebron's inability to field the best teams has caused people to change the goat criteria away from winning, into losing but appearing to face great odds.. it's a way to weaponize losing when your star can't get it done ("oh, but we were so outmatched", woah is me bs)
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[Uncle Drew]

It’s done then. 1-9 finally got the better of him. 3ball crumbling like a cookie, folding like a cheap tent. We won.

[superduper]

The fact that Brannies expect years 1-3 Jordan to single handedly beat a top 3 team all time in and of itself proves Jordan's the undisputed GOAT.

[Hey Yo]

The fact that Brannies expect years 1-3 Jordan to single handedly beat a top 3 team all time in and of itself proves Jordan's the undisputed GOAT.

He had Orlando Woolridge's 20ppg in the '85 playoffs and 21ppg in '86.

Nothing single handily about MJ's first 2 playoffs

[FKAri]

The fact that Brannies expect years 1-3 Jordan to single handedly beat a top 3 team all time in and of itself proves Jordan's the undisputed GOAT.

He got swept in the 1st round in his 4th year as well...to a Boston team that got taken the distance by a team with... [wait for it]... ZERO all-stars

[superduper]

He got swept in the 1st round in his 4th year as well...to a Boston team that got taken the distance by a team with... [wait for it]... ZERO all-stars

So why did Bran get swept in embarrassing fashion by the exact same team that King James 1v50'd against and not only took to 7 by himself last year with ZERO allstars but also beat them this year single handedly without his 2nd and 3rd options?

[Phoenix]

He got swept in the 1st round in his 4th year as well...to a Boston team that got taken the distance by a team with... [wait for it]... ZERO all-stars

4th year? 4th year was 87-88. He lost in the 2nd round to Detroit. Maybe you mean third year(86-87)?

[3ball]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]MJ got swept[/COLOR]

With an 8 seed, which is better than lebron getting swept with a 2 seed and 4 seed, or record loss with a 2 seed

[Nikola_]

its actually 2-9 for future reference

[3ball]

Fixed the OP

[SouBeachTalents]

[Manny98]

Imagine being the "GOAT" and losing in the 1st round 3 times

[3ball]

Imagine being the "GOAT" and losing in the 1st round [COLOR="Navy"]3 times[/COLOR]

Imagine considering someone for goat that was a 3-time loser in 2 different rounds at (2nd round and Finals).. an all-time loser in 2 different rounds..

And imagine considering someone for goat that lost 6 times with a 1 or 2 seed, including sweeps and record losses, and lost 10 times in 13 playoffs despite never having less than a 4 seed

[Dray n Klay]

Imagine considering someone for goat that was a 3-time loser in 2 different rounds at (2nd round and Finals).. an all-time loser in 2 different rounds..

And imagine considering someone for goat that lost 6 times with a 1 or 2 seed, including sweeps and record losses, and lost 10 times in 13 playoffs despite never having less than a 4 seed

LeBron won a championship without another all star teammate in 2016


Why couldn

[Manny98]

Imagine considering someone for goat that was a 3-time loser in 2 different rounds at (2nd round and Finals).. an all-time loser in 2 different rounds..

And imagine considering someone for goat that lost 6 times with a 1 or 2 seed, including sweeps and record losses, and lost 10 times in 13 playoffs despite never having less than a 4 seed

At least that person didn't get his cheeks busted in the 1st round of the playoffs