Why did Jordan have such little success before Pippen?

[atljonesbro]

His record before Pippen was under .500. Does he just lack the impact that other superstars had?

[secund2nun]

The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan after he first retired. Great system, great coach, great Pippen.

[LeBird]

Because Jordan was more concerned with scoring points and jacking up 30 shots a night than his team winning. Well, that was basically always the case, but especially before Pippen.

[LeBron 06]

Because Jordan had not the same impact that LeBron, Shaq, etc.

[Trollsmasher]

His record after Pippen is under 0.500 too

How can be the GOAT so incapable of having a winning record in over 300 games without his sidekick?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Because Pippen is 95% if Jodan is 100%.
Yes, he was THAT good. and Jordan needed such a second option to get shit done because he cant carry a team like LeBron

[JT123]

But...but Jordan MADE Pippen!
According to Jordan stans their boy is basically Jesus Christ, only instead of turning water into wine he turned scrubs into Superstars!

[mr4speed]

His record after Pippen is under 0.500 too

How can be the GOAT so incapable of having a winning record in over 300 games without his sidekick?

A lot of people forget that besides Pippen, Horace Grant also joined the Bulls and gets little credit for doing the dirty work (defense and rebounding) and helping the team.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Niqqa if MJ won a series against these guys (Celtics AND Pistons) in the 80's he'd be the absolute unanimous GOAT of basketball. Ever.

Today many consider him the Goat but some ppl give that title to others such as Kareem, Magic, Russell etc.


Expecting MJ to beat those teams in the 80's is like expecting Bran to singlehandedly lead the Cavs to the Finals and beat the 04 Lakers...in his rookie season.

[stalkerforlife]

He played two full seasons without Pippen in a BRUTALLY STACKED eastern conference.

lol...Bran stans are so insecure.

[atljonesbro]

He played two full seasons without Pippen in a BRUTALLY STACKED eastern conference.

lol...Bran stans are so insecure.

Lol at Bran stan. I'm just not a brainwashed Jordan mythologist.

[Trollsmasher]

Niqqa if MJ won a series against these guys (Celtics AND Pistons) in the 80's he'd be the absolute unanimous GOAT of basketball. Ever.

Today many consider him the Goat but some ppl give that title to others such as Kareem, Magic, Russell etc.


Expecting MJ to beat those teams in the 80's is like expecting Bran to singlehandedly lead the Cavs to the Finals and beat the 04 Lakers...in his rookie season.

It's not about beating these teams (MJ was never good enough to win a playoff series on his own), but the GOAT should be at least able to obtain a winning RS record without a TOP 6 SF of all time

[JT123]

He played two full seasons without Pippen in a BRUTALLY STACKED eastern conference.

lol...Bran stans are so insecure.

His team got into the playoffs with 32 wins.
Conference was top heavy, but overall was just as pathetic as it is today.

[LeBird]

Expecting MJ to beat those teams in the 80's is like expecting Bran to singlehandedly lead the Cavs to the Finals and beat the 04 Lakers...in his rookie season.

Forget winning it. How about a .500 record? Is that too much to ask for? Larry Bird came into the league and as a Rookie took the 2nd worst team to the best record in his Rookie year. He won it a year later without the stacked team Celtics later had. If he could do it, why couldn't Jordan if he is the GOAT?

That's because he never could have that kind of impact on a team. His individual play as brilliant as it was did not translate into helping his team massively.

Heck, IIRC, even Magic helped the Lakers improve on their record in his rookie season more than Jordan did for the Bulls and the Lakers were already a good team (meaning, there was less room for them to improve).

[stalkerforlife]

His team got into the playoffs with 32 wins.
Conference was top heavy, but overall was just as pathetic as it is today.