Scoring is #1 category since teams win w/ less rebs or ast, but never w/ less pts

[3ball]

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And since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ"s scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession.

[COLOR="White"]..............[/COLOR][COLOR="darkRed"]PERCENTAGE OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="Green"]<---- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

LEBRON 2012... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2016... 31.5..... 36.7..... 30.2..... 35.2...... 33.9...... 47.1

Jordan also [COLOR="Navy"]faced greater defensive attention[/COLOR], since he scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 1 ppg for Lebron - but despite the greater defensive attention, MJ made all the game winning plays for Pippen, whereas Kyrie made several for Lebron.

Overall, Jordan scored 20-30% more with better efficiency, and only 1 less assist with less turnovers.. And Jordan got more offensive rebounds, which means that Lebron's only area of advantage is defensive rebounds.
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[Sarcastic]

Everyone already knows Jordan is GOAT.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Assists lead to scoring and rebounding gives you more possessions to have the chance to score. You do realize this, right?

You can actually be a less efficient scoring team and win if you out-rebound the other team.

[3ball]

You can actually be a less efficient scoring team and win if you out-rebound the other team.

It's statistical fact that the offensive rebounding rates used in the 80's would increase today's ORtg by [COLOR="DarkRed"]4 points[/COLor]

From Nylon Calculus:

"Looking at the league-average level, the takeaway is this: [COLOR="Red"]an NBA team generally improves on offense by about 0.62 points per 100 possessions for each percentage point increase in its offensive rebound rate. This means that if NBA teams were to improve their offensive rebounding from 23% (where it is now) to 30% (where it was a few years ago), they would generally score about 4.3 points more per 100 possessions.[/COLOR]"

http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/01/06/...hree-pointers/
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.c...ve-rebounding/

From Grantland:

"The general conclusion the authors presented at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in March, based on data from the 2011-12 season, was that [COLOR="Red"]teams could net about 4 points extra per game by recalibrating their philosophy toward offensive rebounding[/COLOR] — that teams were being too cautious."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pa...ition-defense/

However, ORtg was only [COLOR="DarkRed"]1-2 points[/COLOR] higher in the 80's, which means that superior halfcourt defense (paint-camping, hand-checking, and no spacing) mostly offset the ORtg increase created by 2nd chance points (and many more points from greater transition opportunities).
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[ShawkFactory]

You're like a jack-in-the-box.

Wind you up a little bit and one of three sayings will come out you.

[BlakFrankWhite]

you're like Will Smith in I Am Legend, screaming that you can fix this whilst chatting to mannequins in a video shop.

[3ball]

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MJ vs. Lebron

Playoffs (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.9 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Playoffs (Per 100 Possessions):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 2.1 oreb.. 9.4 dreb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Finals (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"][COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 48.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"][COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 reb.. 7.2 apg.. 4.1 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Teams win with less rebounds or assists than the opponent, but never with less scoring.

So scoring is the most important category, and since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession
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[ShawkFactory]

Playoffs (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.9 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Playoffs (Per 100 Possessions):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 2.1 oreb.. 9.4 dreb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Finals (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"][COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 48.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"][COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 reb.. 7.2 apg.. 4.1 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Teams win with less rebounds or assists than the opponent, but never with less scoring.

So scoring is the most important category, and since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession.

Overall, Jordan scored 20-30% more with better efficiency, and only 1 less assist with less turnovers.. And Jordan got more offensive rebounds, which means that Lebron's only area of advantage is defensive rebounds.

POP goes the weasel

[Smoke117]

[atljonesbro]

[warriorfan]

Good read

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan is the #1 usage all time player.

[AintNoSunshine]

So defense doesn't matter either, as it does not directly add points.

[stalkerforlife]

Jordan is better than Kobe, but not by much.

Not much at all.

Kobe is the 2nd GOAT.

[K.dot ShowTime]

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
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13. LeCollude