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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Wilt
Isiah
Havlicek
would probably be my top 3.
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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by JohnnyWall
I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.
He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)
You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.
From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.
He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
He got to play the last 3-4 Years of his Career with a Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast and arguably the best front court in the league and best 3rd man / 6th man in Odom.
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Lol
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.
He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)
From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.
He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.
He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)
From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.
He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.
You're a crazy person.
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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by RRR3
Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.
After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
How are AI and TMac overrated? I have never seen them on anyone's top 20 list, or even top 30 list.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.
After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.
Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.
BTW anyone find it ironic that the people who are being mentioned the most in this thread (Oscar, Wilt, LeBron) are three of the most hated on/underrated players on ISH? strange.
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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by RRR3
Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.
Fair enough but I do feel for that 2-3 Year stretch before his fire went out (perhaps due to lack of success) he was firmly on their level.
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in Brooklyn
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by RRR3
Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.
BTW anyone find it ironic that the people who are being mentioned the most in this thread (Oscar, Wilt, LeBron) are three of the most hated on/underrated players on ISH? strange.
I'm a huge fan of Wilt and LeBron. Oscar is genuinely overrated due to his triple double stats which weren't getting the same recognition like they do today. Chris Broussard has him in his top 5 all-time. If that's not overrated I don't know what is.
There's a difference between being overrated and hated.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by JohnnyWall
You're a crazy person.
How about this:
Kobe has never once been #1 or #2 in the NBA in Win Shares or PER. Jordan was #1 16 times. Yet people are not only comparing the two but saying Kobe is better? That is crazy and proves just how overrated Kobe is here.
And I think he is outstanding.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.
He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)
You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.
From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.
He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
He got to play the last 3-4 Years of his Career with a Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast and arguably the best front court in the league and best 3rd man / 6th man in Odom.
c'mon son
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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by blablabla
c'mon son
I really dont dislike Kobe.
I just hate how overrated he has become.
I always rooted for him from 97-04 when him and Shaq were a duo and I was cheering loudly everytime he made a basket.
I remember watching G2 of the Pistons series where he made the GWinner at my friends house and I was jumping up and down excited.
His arrogance and lack of appreciation for certain things has slightly lowered my opinion of him as a person but as a player I can appreciate what he has done.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
1-Allen Iverson
2-Bill Russell
3-Kobe Bryant
Last edited by Round Mound; 11-29-2011 at 04:48 PM.
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Good High School Starter
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Sarcastic
How are AI and TMac overrated? I have never seen them on anyone's top 20 list, or even top 30 list.
Because idiots like to only look at stats when deciding how good a player is
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
#1. Kobe
Huge Gap ----
#2. Bill Russell
#3. Wilt Chamberlain
Those guys aren't overrated. They are all in the top 10 all time and belong there. Can even argue top 6-7 all time for all 3.
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