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Old 11-16-2019, 02:20 AM   #1576
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I will vote for him but not support him

No. I would vote for him and support some of his initiatives, but not others. I also wouldn't pretend that the initiatives I didn't support and criticized prior are suddenly great. Again, that's how most voters and most US citizens approach politics. Do you believe you have to support all of a politician's policy stances to vote for them? Are you incapable of being critical of even the politicians for whom you have voted?

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Old 11-16-2019, 10:10 AM   #1577
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No one has been able to explain why Giuliani, Trump and their indicted friends smeared her and felt the need to spread lies about her in order to have her removed. He even bad mouthed her to a foreign head of state. Like all diplomats, she serves at the pleasure of the President. The issue is why he removed her given how respected she was in the State Department and in her station, and why he did so in the fashion that he did. As it stands, it's obvious Giuliani wanted her out of the way.



Doesn't matter. The president can fire any ambassador at will. He doesn't need to explain why, that's not a requirement nor is failing to do so a crime.
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:34 AM   #1578
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Doesn't matter. The president can fire any ambassador at will. He doesn't need to explain why, that's not a requirement nor is failing to do so a crime.

lettuce pray you are right. doesn't seem like prosecutors agree with you doe.

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As the Congressional impeachment inquiry goes public this week, prosecutors in New York are quietly continuing to investigate an alleged covert plan involving Ukrainian government officials and associates of Rudy Giuliani to remove Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. ambassador to that country, sources told ABC News.

In recent weeks, a former congressman caught up in the scandal and who's now cooperating with federal investigators has been asked about any role he might have played in removing Yovanovitch, a key figure in the ongoing impeachment proceedings.

The recent indictments of the two Giuliani associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, claim at a critical period, during the spring and summer of 2018, the two men embarked on a plan to raise $20,000 for a congressmen whom they wanted to help get Yovanovitch removed.

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After a White House meeting, Parnas bragged that he was on a 'secret mission' for Trump in Ukraine

and as we now know, witness intimidation is indeed a crime.

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Roger Stone Guilty On Charges Of Lying To Congress, Witness Intimidation... Faces 50 Years in Prison
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:44 AM   #1579
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Doesn't matter. The president can fire any ambassador at will. He doesn't need to explain why, that's not a requirement nor is failing to do so a crime.


Who ever thought the actual draining of the swamp would affect so many people that they would concoct so many different lies and attempts to take the man down.

Washington is corrupt. Washington is full of poison. The American people will not be silenced. #MAGA 4 LIFE!!!


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Old 11-16-2019, 12:04 PM   #1580
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Doesn't matter. The president can fire any ambassador at will. He doesn't need to explain why, that's not a requirement nor is failing to do so a crime.

No one is alleging that her removal was illegal, but it does matter why she was removed. Giuliani, Fruman, Parnas and Trump disparaged her and spread lies about her... but for what purpose? Trump could have simply removed her quietly. Apparently, as she testified, she stood in the way of this foolish scheme they've been caught perpetrating. Again, her removal was perfectly legal... but her firing only exposes just how serious and determined they were to carry out their scheme. Ironically, her interim replacement turned out to be an even bigger thorn in their sides.

So again... why did he disparage her?
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:14 PM   #1581
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Who ever thought the actual draining of the swamp would affect so many people

Again, how is Yovanovitch swampy? Everyone seems to hold her in the highest regard... including Republicans.

Incidentally, is Trump's campaign to drain the swamp focused on his associates and advisers? Cohen, Manafort, Stone, Flynn, Gates, Parnas, Fruman... all in or headed to prison.

...and is he also going after himself?

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Donald Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million for Charity Fraud

A New York judge ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle claims that he used his personal foundation as a piggybank to advance his personal and political interests.

If he keeps this kind of swamp draining up, I'm all for it.
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:47 PM   #1582
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everyone you know/have worked with going to prison and all your sham businesses being shut down with multi-million dollar fines is the new way to "drain the swamp"

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Confirmed: Embassy official David Holmes corroborated Taylor‘s testimony this evening, testifying that Trump asked Sondland about “the investigation” & Sondland said Zelensky was “gonna do it.”

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Holmes could hear Sondland tell Trump on the phone that President Zelensky “loves your ass.”

Trump responded “So, he’s gonna do the investigation?”

“Sondland; “He’s gonna do it."

gordy better tell his lawyers to make a deal quick or he's off to the maga swamp for perjury.
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Old 11-16-2019, 01:00 PM   #1583
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Holy shit Trump is corrupt on a whole different level
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Old 11-16-2019, 02:14 PM   #1584
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everyone you know/have worked with going to prison and all your sham businesses being shut down with multi-million dollar fines is the new way to "drain the swamp"

gordy better tell his lawyers to make a deal quick or he's off to the maga swamp for perjury.

So, can we all agree that Trump was lying when he said that he hardly knew Gordon Sondland, or is there someone who would like to posit an explanation as to how he was answering calls made from Sondland's personal cell phone, but somehow hardly knows him.
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Old 11-16-2019, 02:55 PM   #1585
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No one has been able to explain why Giuliani, Trump and their indicted friends smeared her and felt the need to spread lies about her in order to have her removed. He even bad mouthed her to a foreign head of state. Like all diplomats, she serves at the pleasure of the President. The issue is why he removed her given how respected she was in the State Department and in her station, and why he did so in the fashion that he did. As it stands, it's obvious Giuliani wanted her out of the way.

Lol, he even blamed her for Somalia today. Let that sink in for a second.

I feel like the Democrats built up that question to ask someone like Sondland or Volker or perhaps Pompeo or someone like Perry if they show up to impeachment trial down the road.
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Old 11-16-2019, 03:20 PM   #1586
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everyone you know/have worked with going to prison and all your sham businesses being shut down with multi-million dollar fines is the new way to "drain the swamp"





gordy better tell his lawyers to make a deal quick or he's off to the maga swamp for perjury.

Sonland going to correct his statement again??
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Old 11-16-2019, 05:35 PM   #1587
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I feel like the Democrats built up that question to ask someone like Sondland or Volker or perhaps Pompeo or someone like Perry if they show up to impeachment trial down the road.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious what they were doing and why they had her there in the first place.
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Old 11-16-2019, 09:05 PM   #1588
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Old 11-16-2019, 09:06 PM   #1589
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