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Old 11-12-2019, 12:45 AM   #31
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Default Re: A list of Lebron's top playoff performances

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Thats cute and all but...
Both played 13 playoffs
LeBron simply won more
More playoff series
Made more finals
Scored more points
Zero 1st round exits (MJ has THREE)
Played tougher Finals

I mean..its ova baby boi

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Old 11-12-2019, 01:03 AM   #32
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Notice the gap between #1 and 2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10:

Playoffs PPG

1) Jordan...... 33.5


2) Iverson..... 29.7
3) West......... 29.1
4) Lebron...... 28.9
5) Durant...... 28.8
6) Barry......... 27.3
7) Elgin......... 27.0
8) Gervin...... 26.5
9 Curry......... 26.0
10) Hakem... 25.9


CLUTCH - Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001

134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com...by=date_g ame



Jordan 1997 Playoffs:. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs:. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game

TLDR: MJ averaged 5 more ppg, while taking far more clutch shots on much better efficiency - even old MJ blows lebron away down the stretch of tight games (clutch)
Didn't know Playoff Performance is only based on PPG
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:08 AM   #33
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Didn't know Playoff Performance is only based on PPG

he forget about rebounds assists and first round exits

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Old 11-12-2019, 01:26 AM   #34
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Default Re: A list of Lebron's top playoff performances

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He forget about rebounds and assists

We don't need that because when was a player that averaged 5 more points on better efficiency NOT considered the much better player?

I'll wait


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he forget about rebounds assists


MJ averaged equal or greater assists thru 3 rings


Jordan...91 - 93'. Playoffs... 33.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs... 27.2 and 7.2 apg

Jordan...91 - 93''. Finals... 36.3 and 7.9 apg
Lebron 12/13/16 Finals... 27.0 and 7.2 apg

Jordan Playoffs thru 30 (85-93')... 34.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron Playoffs thru 30 (06-15')... 27.2 and 7.2 apg
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:41 AM   #35
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I highlighted the only ones that matter - that's 5 legendary performances

The rest are early round series and honestly, it's embarrassing that they would make the top 10.. it shows how few truly great performances he's had on the championship level..

And it should be mentioned that his 2 great games in the 2016 Finals were accompanied by goat performance from his sidekick as well, thus lessening the "carry-job" factor - kyrie and lebron's high-level play elevated and took pressure off each other, while allowing the cast to rely more exclusively on just those two, just like AD/Lebron this year - their high level of play elevates each other and allows the lakers to rely more exclusively on just them, thus boosting their stats.

But even more important than the early-round factor and sidekick the sidekick/lesser carry-job factor, it's likely that other greats with the requisite skills to fit better with Wade/Bosh would've had much better Heat teams than Lebron had - so any great performance they have alongside Wade/Bosh was more needed to win the game given that Wade/Bosh were playing closer to max capacity and the team was stronger overall

In other words, Lebron's performances with a cast that is playing below capacity can't compare to great performances that occurred when the team was truly pushed to the limit (the cast was playing to capacity)..

Other greats would simply NOT be down 3-2 to the fossilized Celtics in 2012, and wouldn't need a comeback - the comeback factor inflates lebron's performances because it resulted from team underachievement

Finally, I'll say again that the 5 games above that aren't bolded are pretty subjective early round series games that every star has..

All of this is to say that Lebron isn't the winner other greats were
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You're nitpicking. If you were to do that,you'd be hard pressed to find any "classic"games by any all time great.

Who cares why they were down 3-2against Boston (and I agree with you. They shouldn't have been). But the fact is that they were and game 6 was an elimination game. And Lebron proceeded to score 45 and 15 on 70% while helping hold Pierve to 4-18 shooting. In Boston. With his legacy on the line. On what planet is that not a big game?
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:43 AM   #36
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We don't need that because when was a player that averaged 5 more points on better efficiency NOT considered the much better player?

I'll wait




MJ averaged equal or greater assists thru 3 rings


Jordan...91 - 93'. Playoffs... 33.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs... 27.2 and 7.2 apg

Jordan...91 - 93''. Finals... 36.3 and 7.9 apg
Lebron 12/13/16 Finals... 27.0 and 7.2 apg

Jordan Playoffs thru 30 (85-93')... 34.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron Playoffs thru 30 (06-15')... 27.2 and 7.2 apg
Not saying you're wrong, but please provide a link for the Jordan 》 Lebron in assists number that you gave us.
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You're nitpicking. If you were to do that,you'd be hard pressed to find any "classic"games by any all time great.

Who cares why they were down 3-2against Boston (and I agree with you. They shouldn't have been). But the fact is that they were and game 6 was an elimination game. And Lebron proceeded to score 45 and 15 on 70% while helping hold Pierve to 4-18 shooting. In Boston. With his legacy on the line. On what planet is that not a big game?
MJ averaged 36/7/8 on 53% in the 91-93' Finals - many of those games are on the level of the 5 games I highlighted:

- Game 2 of 1991 Finals - MJ hit 13 straight shots and had the switch hands play
- Game 3 of 1991 Finals - MJ sent the game into OT with a shot, and then dominated the OT while shutting down Magic after Pip fouled out in regulation

- Game 1 of 1992 Finals - shrug game
- Game 4 of 1992 Finals - 46/5/4 to put the Bulls up 3-2

- most games in the 1993 Finals - 48/10/6 in games 2-4 (when the series was won)

- Game 1 of 1997 Finals - legendary walk-off winner
- Game 2 of 1997 Finals - 38/13/9
- Game 5 of 1997 Finals - flu game

- Game 6 - goat clutch; 45 of 87 team points; pip and rodman MIA


^^^ that's just the Finals... MJ had a couple legendary series walk-off winners and some ECF games in 89', 90', 92, 93, 96' and 98' that were legendary



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Not saying you're wrong, but please provide a link for the Jordan 》 Lebron in assists number that you gave us.

Jordan's Finals Assists

1991 - 57
1992 - 39
1993 - 38
__________
134/17 = 7.88 apg


Lebron's Finals Assists

2016 - 62
2013 - 49
2012 - 37
__________
148/19 = 7.79 apg


^^^ So Jordan passed more for his first 3 Finals win than Lebron... Also:


Jordan Playoffs thru 30 (85-93')... 34.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron Playoffs thru 30 (06-15')... 28.2 and 6.7 apg

Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs... 33.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron 12/13/16... Playoffs... 27.2 and 7.2 apg
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MJ averaged 36/7/8 on 53% in the 91-93' Finals - many of those games are on the level of the 5 games I highlighted:

- Game 2 of 1991 Finals - MJ hit 13 straight shots and had the switch hands play
- Game 3 of 1991 Finals - MJ sent the game into OT with a shot, and then dominated the OT while shutting down Magic after Pip fouled out in regulation

- Game 1 of 1992 Finals - shrug game
- Game 4 of 1992 Finals - 46/5/4 to put the Bulls up 3-2

- most games in the 1993 Finals - 48/10/6 in games 2-4 (when the series was won)

- Game 1 of 1997 Finals - legendary walk-off winner
- Game 2 of 1997 Finals - 38/13/9
- Game 5 of 1997 Finals - flu game

- Game 6 - goat clutch; 45 of 87 team points; pip and rodman MIA


^^^ that's just the Finals... MJ had a couple legendary series walk-off winners and some ECF games in 89', 90', 92, 93, 96' and 98' that were legendary




Jordan's Finals Assists

1991 - 57
1992 - 39
1993 - 38
__________
134/17 = 7.88 apg


Lebron's Finals Assists

2016 - 62
2013 - 49
2012 - 37
__________
148/19 = 7.79 apg


^^^ So Jordan passed more for his first 3 Finals win than Lebron... Also:


Jordan Playoffs thru 30 (85-93')... 34.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron Playoffs thru 30 (06-15')... 28.2 and 6.7 apg

Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs... 33.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron 12/13/16... Playoffs... 27.2 and 7.2 apg

Thanks for the link.

I'm not sure why you mentioned Jordan' games up top. Nobody is arguing that Jordan doesnt have his legendary games. I - like you - think he's the greatest ever.
This thread is about Lebron. Why do you feel the need to bring up Jordan in every thread. How does talking about Lebron detract from MJ, in any way?
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