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    Kobe Bryant 2005 to 2010




    How Long?

    5 Seasons
    394 Regular Season Games
    79 Playoff Games
    11,756 Points
    15,404 Minutes
    Age 27 to 31

    What did he Accomplish?

    5x All-NBA 1st Team
    5x All-Defensive 1st Team
    5x All-Star
    3x NBA Finals Appearance
    2x NBA Champion
    1x NBA League MVP
    2x NBA Finals MVP
    2x Scoring Champion
    2x All-Star Game MVP
    1x Olympic Gold Medal

    What were his stats? (2005 to 2010)


    Regular Season

    394 Games

    29.8 ppg 5.6 rpg 5.0 apg 1.6 spg 0.4 bpg 3.1 tpg

    46%FG/35%3P/85%FT
    56%TS=11756/(2*(8901+.44*3434))

    Playoffs

    79 Games

    29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.6 bpg 3.3 tpg

    47%FG/35%3P/84%FT
    57%TS=2358/(2x(1779+.44*659))

    Prime Kobe Bryant

    Kobe Bryant's Prime has lasted for 5 years, and still looking strong this season(2010-2011) to extend it to 6 years.

    The greatest prime by a perimeter player since Michael Jordan's retirement. You can just look at the accolades they speak for themselves. The Stats are MVP-Caliber. High Winning PCT. Deep Playoff Runs.

    Congrats to Kobe completing one of the greatest primes ever in NBA History.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laronprofit9
    How does this 5 year stretch of Kobe Bryant's Prime compare to other NBA All-Time Greats' Primes?
    Well...if this thread wasn't doomed to go exactly where we all thought it would go already, you basically just sealed it's fate by blatantly asking for it

    Great 5 years though, hard to disagree with the numbers.

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    Kobe's a really great player. Is he a LEGEND who changed the game in any significant way? No, but he was awesome for the second half of the decade. Not too shabby at all.

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    Different phases of Kobe's game have peaked at different times.

    2000 was his best defensive season when he used a lot of energy at that end and guarded point guards, shooting guards and small forwards with success.

    2003 was his physical peak when he bulked up to 220+ pounds and seemed more athletic than any other year.

    2006 was his peak scoring season(though he was just as good later in 2007)

    2008 was his best season in terms of game management and making his teammates better. He'd start out games getting everyone involved and then take over late like it was nothing. Not surprisingly so many Lakers(particularly shooters) had better seasons than usual.

    Following up on the 2008 season......here's the effect Kobe's play had on his teammates.

    Fisher had a career best TS% that year and virtually tied his career best FG% mark while posting the 3rd highest 3P% of his career and his best per 36 scoring season.

    Jordan Farmar posted his best FG% and TS% by a good margin as well as his best scoring average.

    Sasha Vujacic also put up his best scoring average, FG%, TS% and 3P% by a good margin as well as career high in 3s made by a good margin as well.

    Vladimir Radmanovic topped his previous best FG% quite easily and he still hasn't come close to his 2008 mark and he had the second best 3P% of his ca

    Lamar Odom also easily topped his previous best FG% and TS%(though he's shattering those quite easily this season).

    As far as Kobe's prime? Well, it's tough to say, he played some of his best basketball in the 2001 playoffs and his 2003 season seemed like a prime season. He's been one of the league's top 5 players since 2001 with the exception of that injury-plagued 2005 season when he was in a more ball-dominant role which was an adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Different phases of Kobe's game have peaked at different times.

    2000 was his best defensive season when he used a lot of energy at that end and guarded point guards, shooting guards and small forwards with success.

    2003 was his physical peak when he bulked up to 220+ pounds and seemed more athletic than any other year.

    2006 was his peak scoring season(though he was just as good later in 2007)

    2008 was his best season in terms of game management and making his teammates better. He'd start out games getting everyone involved and then take over late like it was nothing. Not surprisingly so many Lakers(particularly shooters) had better seasons than usual.

    Following up on the 2008 season......here's the effect Kobe's play had on his teammates.

    Fisher had a career best TS% that year and virtually tied his career best FG% mark while posting the 3rd highest 3P% of his career and his best per 36 scoring season.

    Jordan Farmar posted his best FG% and TS% by a good margin as well as his best scoring average.

    Sasha Vujacic also put up his best scoring average, FG%, TS% and 3P% by a good margin as well as career high in 3s made by a good margin as well.

    Vladimir Radmanovic topped his previous best FG% quite easily and he still hasn't come close to his 2008 mark and he had the second best 3P% of his ca

    Lamar Odom also easily topped his previous best FG% and TS%(though he's shattering those quite easily this season).

    As far as Kobe's prime? Well, it's tough to say, he played some of his best basketball in the 2001 playoffs and his 2003 season seemed like a prime season. He's been one of the league's top 5 players since 2001 with the exception of that injury-plagued 2005 season when he was in a more ball-dominant role which was an adjustment.
    2002-2003 Was Easily Kobe's Physical Prime. He was stronger, faster, quicker, higher leaper, best stamina, best endurance than any other point in his career imo. Career highs in Minutes, Minutes Per Game, Games Played, 3P%, Steals, Steals per Game, Rebounds, Rebounds Per Game, and Blocks. A lot of those stats are mainly due to his athleticism.

    2005-2006 Was Kobe's Basketball Skill Prime. Combining Skill and Athleticism. Kobe's best individual year. He could do it all this year, except win lol. He was better this year than 2003, but was clearly a level below in athletcism.

    2008 to present, Kobe has matured into his best form as a leader. Kobe has been criticized for leadership for most of his career, but during 07-08 things turned around. I actually think he's a top 3 leader in this game now, arguably the best. His lead by example model, has gotten a lot of players around him better. Every player that has gone to the Lakers during this time, has improved their work ethic and improved some aspect of their game. It shows. Plus 3 Finals Appearances and 2 Championships should also show his quality as a leader as well.
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    Kobe's prime for stat douches: 2005-2010

    Classic fun super Kobe times: 1998 - 2004.

    Kobe's

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    [QUOTE=PrimeJohnnyDepp]Kobe's prime for stat douches: 2005-2010

    Classic fun super Kobe times: 1998 - 2004.

    Kobe's

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Different phases of Kobe's game have peaked at different times.

    2000 was his best defensive season when he used a lot of energy at that end and guarded point guards, shooting guards and small forwards with success.

    2003 was his physical peak when he bulked up to 220+ pounds and seemed more athletic than any other year.

    2006 was his peak scoring season(though he was just as good later in 2007)

    2008 was his best season in terms of game management and making his teammates better. He'd start out games getting everyone involved and then take over late like it was nothing. Not surprisingly so many Lakers(particularly shooters) had better seasons than usual.

    Following up on the 2008 season......here's the effect Kobe's play had on his teammates.

    Fisher had a career best TS% that year and virtually tied his career best FG% mark while posting the 3rd highest 3P% of his career and his best per 36 scoring season.

    Jordan Farmar posted his best FG% and TS% by a good margin as well as his best scoring average.

    Sasha Vujacic also put up his best scoring average, FG%, TS% and 3P% by a good margin as well as career high in 3s made by a good margin as well.

    Vladimir Radmanovic topped his previous best FG% quite easily and he still hasn't come close to his 2008 mark and he had the second best 3P% of his ca

    Lamar Odom also easily topped his previous best FG% and TS%(though he's shattering those quite easily this season).

    As far as Kobe's prime? Well, it's tough to say, he played some of his best basketball in the 2001 playoffs and his 2003 season seemed like a prime season. He's been one of the league's top 5 players since 2001 with the exception of that injury-plagued 2005 season when he was in a more ball-dominant role which was an adjustment.
    Well done, as usual.

    I do recall you stating months ago elite players tend to peak around 27 years old, OP's range would honor your general theory.

    I also think (and believe you probably do as well) that complete athletic peaks of elite basketball players serves as prelude to overall peak. The whole package just takes longer to assemble than the motor-skills and physique does.

    Easy example being Jordan was a monster in '89, but the whole package wasn't there yet. With Kobe fitting easily into that model, the whole package couldn't be there because he wasn't a primary offensive weapon until Shaq left and was still caught between being a 1b and 2 option from 2001-2003.

    Your 2008 statement is the most important for me of everything you said, it's the fullest evolution of him as a player & encapsulates the best assembly of all his skills as they developed/wore off slightly, which to me is what a true peak is.
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    Kobe Bryant's Peak and Prime are actually very hard to define.

    For one thing, no single year really seems to stand out over the others. Like 02-03 TMac for instance.

    He's had similar level of production ever since 2001 for 10 consecutive seasons. With minimal peaks and valleys in between.

    Technically you could say 2001 to present has been his prime, but that seems to be more of his career.

    After thinking about it, I'd say these 5 years(2005 to 2010), was the best choice all things considered, for the prime of his career.

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    I pray to the Kobe 'god' Bryant for blessing us all these years.

    We been eating good all this time

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    During 2005 to 2010.

    Kobe had 64 Games where he scored at least 40+ Points. (105 for his career)
    Kobe had 19 Games where he scored at least 50+ Points. (24 for his career)
    Kobe had all 5 of his 60+ Points performances during this 5 year stretch.

    There were 49 Games where a player scored at least 50 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 19 of them.

    There 392 Games where a player scored at least 40 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 64 of them.

    Most of Kobe's best performances came during these seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laronprofit9
    During 2005 to 2010.

    Kobe had 64 Games where he scored at least 40+ Points. (105 for his career)
    Kobe had 19 Games where he scored at least 50+ Points. (24 for his career)
    Kobe had all 5 of his 60+ Points performances during this 5 year stretch.

    There were 49 Games where a player scored at least 50 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 19 of them.

    There 392 Games where a player scored at least 40 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 64 of them.

    Most of Kobe's best performances came during these seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laronprofit9
    During 2005 to 2010.

    Kobe had 64 Games where he scored at least 40+ Points. (105 for his career)
    Kobe had 19 Games where he scored at least 50+ Points. (24 for his career)
    Kobe had all 5 of his 60+ Points performances during this 5 year stretch.

    There were 49 Games where a player scored at least 50 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 19 of them.

    There 392 Games where a player scored at least 40 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 64 of them.

    Most of Kobe's best performances came during these seasons.
    Also from 2005 to 2010.

    There has only been a total of 6 Games where a player scored at least 60 or more from 2005 to 2010. Kobe had 5 of the 6.

    Gilbert Arenas had the other one, who happened to drop it on Kobe's Lakers.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...612170LAL.html

    The Funny thing was Kobe actually played a hell of a good game too.

    45 Points 8 Rebounds 10 Assists on 15fg/24fga(63%) 7/11(64%) on 3 pointers

    The Difference between the 2 came at the free throw line that game.

    Kobe shot 8/10 at the line.
    Arenas shot 21/27 at the line.

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    Yeah Kobe's prime was probably 2000-01 to 06-07 more like it. I don't understand why people start Kobe's prime when Shaq left when he was definitely being mentioned as the best player in the game (especially if you discount Shaq) in 2000-01.

    He was past his prime when he won his last two rings. That doesn't mean that he didn't lead his team to the championship, but come on. Are you guys blind? Did you forget how good Kobe was? He's not even close to that good anymore. He's gotten injuries and all that, too. I'd say he's roughly 75% of the player he was in his prime.

    -Smak

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