When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

[NBAGOAT]

Nash did well but he never elevated an unestablished cast to a championship in his career, similar to Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, and other ball-dominators.. It's unfortunate because they could all win a ring if they teamed up a bunch like Bron did, but they'd similarly have weak Finals records..

Otoh, guys like Duncan, Curry, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Pierce and Dirk have basically all the rings in the last 30 years

And btw, his defense sputtered more than the opponent's because it's harder to guard ball movement than a primary ball-handler.. that's why Curry had 70-win juggernauts and Nash had teams equal to Lebron's pre-collude years

Wat established cast, don’t just gloss over his point . Amare was super young as tools said and they won 29 games before he joined. Marion was their one established all star. Their defensive problems had more to do with amare having no interior presence. Their kryptonite in the spurs didn’t play a heavy ball movement style anyway, lot of Duncan postups

[SouBeachTalents]

not to mention Kawhi being the 3rd or 4th option for his 1st one.....

True that, not to mention of all the players he listed, only Jordan, Shaq & Duncan have more/as many rings as best player as LeBron does

[NBAGOAT]

Lists Pierce & Dirk as having "all" the rings when they have one each

Ditto Kawhi & Durant with 2, although they obviously still have time to win more

I am pretty confident if phx pulled the trigger on the amare and Marion for kg trade, Nash would have a ring right now

[3ball]

When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?




oh the 2018 cavs......

Lebron vs 07' Spurs:

Sweep

^^^^ That's the proper guage for how high lebron elevated his team

Not a weak East that everyone and there mom was winning with weak casts (Dwight, AI, Kidd twice)

And do you realize the bulls were 21-42 without MJ in 86'?.. They made the playoffs with 30 wins and were really more like a 12-seed-caliber.. Yet Jordan's 8 seed played the goat Celtics closer than Lebron's 4 seed and 3-time conference champ played the Warriors in 18'.. So congratulations, lebron elevated the 18' Cavs below MJ's 86' Bulls.... ..

So again, Lebron's record loss in the Finals is the guage for how high lebron elevated his 18' team, not a weak East that everyone and there mom was winning with weak casts before he colluded (Dwight, AI, Kidd twice, before lebron colluded in 11')

[RealSkipBayless]

16 Cavs

Did Kyrie or Love have any playoff success before Lebron?

Anyone know?

[3ball]

16 Cavs

Did Kyrie or Love have any playoff success before Lebron?

Anyone know?

They were already stars, so lebron didn't have to develop their talent, or the team's teamwork to achieve favorite status (they were preseason favorites to win it all, and right before playoffs)

[RRR3]

What happened to retiring, 3ball?

Why are you such a liar?

[3ball]

Lists Pierce & Dirk as having "all" the rings when they have one each

Ditto Kawhi & Durant with 2, although they obviously still have time to win more

I was saying that non-ball-dominant players have basically all the rings in the last 30 years:

Kawhi, KD, Kobe, MJ, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, Pierce


While ball-dominant players have almost none without colluding: Lebron, Wade, and that's it (Chauncey wasn't a ball-dominant player)

[SouBeachTalents]

I was saying that non-ball-dominant players have basically all the rings:

Kawhi, KD, Kobe, MJ, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, Pierce


While ball-dominant players have almost none without colluding: Lebron, Wade, and that's it (Chauncey wasn't a ball-dominant player)

You have the audacity to list Pierce, Curry & Durant when complaining about colluded titles

[RRR3]

Kobe not ball dominant lmfao

[3ball]

New top 15 based on the OP's logic and the notion that dominant wing > dominant big in modern era:


1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Russell
9. Duncan
10. Kawhi
11. Durant
12. Hakeem
13. Pettit
14. Moses
15. Dirk

[Manny98]

I was saying that non-ball-dominant players have basically all the rings in the last 30 years:

Kawhi, KD, Kobe, MJ, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, Pierce


While ball-dominant players have almost none without colluding: Lebron, Wade, and that's it (Chauncey wasn't a ball-dominant player)

LeBron had a lower time of possession than Curry in 2014-2016

So how is Curry considered "non-ball-dominant" but LeBron isn't

[RRR3]

New top 15 based on the OP's logic and the notion that dominant wing > dominant big in modern era:


1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Russell
9. Duncan
10. Kawhi
11. Durant
12. Hakeem
13. Pettit
14. Moses
15. Dirk

Permaban time.

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron vs 07' Spurs:

Sweep

^^^^ That's the proper guage for how high lebron elevated his team

Not a weak East that everyone and there mom was winning with weak casts (Dwight, AI, Kidd twice)

And do you realize the bulls were 21-42 without MJ in 86'?.. They made the playoffs with 30 wins and were really more like a 12-seed-caliber.. Yet Jordan's 8 seed played the goat Celtics closer than Lebron's 4 seed and 3-time conference champ played the Warriors in 18'.. So congratulations, lebron elevated the 18' Cavs below MJ's 86' Bulls.... ..

So again, Lebron's record loss in the Finals is the guage for how high lebron elevated his 18' team, not a weak East that everyone and there mom was winning with weak casts before he colluded (Dwight, AI, Kidd twice, before lebron colluded in 11')

Boi, taking a team to the finals >>>>>>>>>a 1st round exit. I can't even begin to stress > enough. Mj elevated his team back to the lottery while lebron lifted his team to the point they couldn't get lotto picks. This is easy stuff, no need to twist your brain into a pretzel over.

[sdot_thadon]

Permaban time.

Nobody should really ever respond to his posts but shit like that has psychological problems written all over it.