List of players that need spacing the most

[GrapeApe]

[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]eFG% All Jumpshots[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR] Midrange

Jordan 1997:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 51.2%, 727/1528............. 48.9%, 588/1202

Wade.. 2006:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.6%, 331/852.............. 38.4%, 174/403
Wade.. 2012:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.4%, 182/481.............. 39.5%, 115/291
Wade.. 2013:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.8%, 247/642.............. 38.9%, 144/370
Wade.. 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.3%, 228/637.............. 36.4%, 143/393



Wade's midrange ability doesn't compare to that of Jordan or Kobe.

MJ and Kobe were 6'6" and longer - they could've started at SF for their entire careers no problem.. Their midrange game is on another level of Wade's.. Heck, Jordan led the league in scoring during his 2nd three-peat shooting mostly midrange jumpers - look at the stats - his volume and efficiency is unparalleled.

Wade has been a ball-dominator for most of his career.. He doesn't have a fraction of the catch-and-go, triple-threat or turnaround repertoire of Jordan or Kobe.. Wade has no clue about being a big man like those guys do.
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I never said Wade was as good a midrange scorer as those guys, and in fact I acknowledged they were better. My point was that Wade has a solid midrange game to accompany his elite slashing ability. You also conveniently ignored how dead wrong you were about calling Wade rigid. Have you ever admitted to being wrong about anything before? You're level of insecurity is embarassing.

[3ball]

If getting to the rim was so simple now then why aren't there more 20 point scorers than there were in the 90s?

Because players in the 90's didn't average 20 ppg by getting to the rim.

They averaged 20 ppg by shooting from midrange (due to crowded paints).

Otoh, today's players (mentioned in the OP) can average 20 ppg WITHOUT being able to shoot is because the wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Today's wide open spacing would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way - but he would ALSO have goat midrange efficiency, and therefore a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

[jstern]

If Jordan came into the current league, as opposed to being transplanted, then his game wouldn't be as good as the 90s Jordan. He once talked about how he had to develop this or that, because of the way relentless way he was being double and trippled team.

[CuterThanRubio]

Because players in the 90's didn't average 20 ppg by getting to the rim.

They averaged 20 ppg by shooting from midrange (due to crowded paints).

Otoh, today's players (mentioned in the OP) can average 20 ppg WITHOUT being able to shoot is because the wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Today's wide open spacing would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way - but he would ALSO have goat midrange efficiency, and therefore a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

Once again, your logic and reasoning is horrendous.

If players who can't even shoot are able to average 20 a game, why did the 90s feature more 20ppg scorers than the modern era, when it was supposedly tougher to get to the hoop?

Defense in the 90s was worse than it is now.

[jstern]

Once again, your logic and reasoning is horrendous.

If players who can't even shoot are able to average 20 a game, why did the 90s feature more 20ppg scorers than the modern era, when it was supposedly tougher to get to the hoop?

Defense in the 90s was worse than it is now.

I randomly picked a season from the 90s, 92-1993, to see who the top scorers were and compared it to this year, and last year because this season is not over. And what I found to be the most interesting is that non of the players in the top 20 in scoring in 93 were point guards, while 5 player this year and last years were point guards. In 92-1993 6 of the top 20 scores were Centers, such as Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning, David Robinson. While this year only 2 are Centers, with Lopez just making it in at number 20. And last year only 2 Centers, with Gasol making it in at number 20.

Makes you wonder about stats and how you can interpret them.

It's like it all adds up. The NBA changed the rules to make it easier for perimeter players to score, and then we enter the point guard era. With 5 PGs per year in the top 20 in points, a position that's hindered in terms of scoring, because they also have to make the effort of running the offense and having other players score. If that wasn't the case maybe there would be even more PGs, in the top 20.

[Nuff Said]

Are there any players you do respect in today's game?

[Smoke117]

Are there any players you do respect in today's game?

He doesn't even watch todays game...

[IllegalD]

[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]eFG% All Jumpshots[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR] Midrange

Jordan 1997:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 51.2%, 727/1528............. 48.9%, 588/1202

Wade.. 2006:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.6%, 331/852.............. 38.4%, 174/403
Wade.. 2012:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.4%, 182/481.............. 39.5%, 115/291
Wade.. 2013:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.8%, 247/642.............. 38.9%, 144/370
Wade.. 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.3%, 228/637.............. 36.4%, 143/393



Wade's midrange ability doesn't compare to that of Jordan or Kobe.

MJ and Kobe were 6'6" and longer - they could've started at SF for their entire careers no problem.. Their midrange game is on another level of Wade's.. Heck, Jordan led the league in scoring during his 2nd three-peat shooting mostly midrange jumpers - look at the stats - his volume and efficiency is unparalleled.

Wade has been a ball-dominator for most of his career.. He doesn't have a fraction of the catch-and-go, triple-threat or turnaround repertoire of Jordan or Kobe.. Wade has no clue about being a big man like those guys do.
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I'm starting to like this 3ball fellar...

[Boogey]

Duh

Curry better distance shooter

Jordan best mid

Lebron best stat padder. Someone tell that ***** to throw that ball full court b 4 the quarters end

[3ball]

If today's players who can't even shoot are able to average 20 a game,

why did the 90s feature more 20ppg scorers than the modern era, when it was supposedly tougher to get to the hoop?

They shot great from midrange, since it was harder to get to the hoop.. But in today's game, players don't need to be good shooters since it's EASY to get to the hole.

Lebron, Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, but they're still the NBA's best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Btw, the 90's only had TWO 30-point scorers, while the 2000's had 8... This is because more bad shooters took advantage of easier penetration (iverson, tmac, etc).

defense was worse in the 90's

Lebron, Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, but they're still the NBA's best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Today's open game would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way - but he would ALSO have goat midrange efficiency, and therefore a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

It's simply WAY easier to get to the hole in today's game - the league officially stated that easier penetration was the objective of the rule changes in 2005 (hand-check ban, defensive 3 seconds).

[imdaman99]

Westbrook was missing the best player on his team and his stretch 4 in Ibaka for much of last season and he did fine. Yes his efficiency was worse than usual but he was almost their ONLY option on offense. If he played all season, he would have still got them to the playoffs. Which doesn't mean he plays better without the spacing, spacing helps everyone. You think Curry or Kobe or MJ would still be as dominant if they didn't have great shooters on their team? Absolutely not. Don't act like MJ never had great shooters on his team.

[livinglegend]

Your brain also need more spacing since Lebron is occupying almost the whole capacity of it.

[3ball]

Don't act like MJ never had great shooters on his team.

He didn't.. His teammates were horrible 3-point shooters compared to today's players.

The Bulls attempted 5 threes per game in 1991... Today's teams attempt 24 threes per game.. It's not even close.

But again - players don't need to be good shooters to score well in today's game since it's EASY to get to the hole.

Lebron, Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, Wade and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, but they're still the NBA's best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

[Jacks3]

Westbrook was missing the best player on his team and his stretch 4 in Ibaka for much of last season and he did fine. Yes his efficiency was worse than usual but he was almost their ONLY option on offense. If he played all season, he would have still got them to the playoffs. Which doesn't mean he plays better without the spacing, spacing helps everyone. You think Curry or Kobe or MJ would still be as dominant if they didn't have great shooters on their team? Absolutely not. Don't act like MJ never had great shooters on his team.

Kobe and MJ had crappy spacing on their teams compared to some of these modern stars.

[3ball]

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In today's game, good shooting from midrange or 3-point range is NOT required to be a good scorer because it's easy to get to the hole.

Lebron, Westbrook, Butler, Wade and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, but they're still the NBA's best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Today's open game would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way - except he would ALSO have goat midrange efficiency, and therefore a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

It's simply WAY easier to get to the hole in today's game - the league officially stated that easier penetration was the objective of the rule changes in 2005 (hand-check ban, defensive 3 seconds).