Effective FG% on all jumpshots and midrange for Curry, MJ, Lebron

[Pushxx]

MJ is the best player of all time.

3ball is the worst poster of all time.

[jstern]

MJ's midrange percentage is pretty interesting. Especially since most of them were probably turnaround fadeaway jumpers.

[Straight_Ballin]

You sat for hours contemplating a new idea for a thread and compiled a bunch of arbitrary numbers that mean nothing in the end, as usual..

Hope Curry drops 70 tonight to see how you spin it

Your faulting someone for putting together a constructive post on a board filled with 15-20 year old bran stans that will never amount to anything in life who get constantly manipulated and mindf[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cked by older, more knowledgeable persons. Your response to his post tells us all that we need to know about you and your future on this board.

[sd3035]

Wow Curry is far ahead of the other two

[Hey Yo]

NBA.com defines "midrange" as shots inside 3-point line but outside paint:

"Non-Measured - a certain percentage (around 8%) of shots did not get measured.

Close Shots - the smorgasboard of close-in action, including dunks, layups, tips, etc.

6 to 11 feet - what we are referring to as Short Two's

12 to 17 feet - perhaps the true mid-range shot distance

18 to the three point line - aka Long Two's

http://www.82games.com/comm51.htm

[Straight_Ballin]

Wow Curry is far ahead of the other two

It's the result of not being hand checked. If MJ played with no hand checking his whole career, his numbers would be > than Curry's.

[chips93]

bron left his jumper back in miami

[3ball]

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan shot far better than Curry on jumpshots inside the 3-point line, on FIVE times the volume:[/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Curry 2015[COLOR="White"]............ [/COLOR]Curry 2016 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]

8-16 ft......... 51.8%, 682 fga........... 46.8%, 126 fga........ 50.0%, 90 fga

16-24 ft....... 48.2%, 495 fga........... 39.4%, 218 fga........ 45.1%, 113 fga




[COLOR="DarkRed"]Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN 1997[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 49.3%, 1202 fga

[COLOR="Navy"]CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2015[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 41.1%, 285 fga
[COLOR="Navy"]CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2016[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 45.0%, 160 fga

[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON 2015[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 37.0%, 343 fga
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON 2016[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 37.1%, 251 fga




[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan shot TWICE as many jumpshots at greater efficiency than Lebron's best seasons: [/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]eFG% All Jumpshots[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR] Midrange

Jordan 1997:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 51.2%, 727/1528........... 48.9%, 588/1202

Lebron 2004:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
Lebron 2005:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
Lebron 2006:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
Lebron 2007:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
Lebron 2008:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
Lebron 2009:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
Lebron 2010:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
Lebron 2011:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
Lebron 2012:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
Lebron 2013:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
Lebron 2014:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
Lebron 2015:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
Lebron 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259

[Achilleas]

who the fak cares for midrange shots

[Hey Yo]

Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)


JORDAN 1997:. 49.3%, 1202 fga

CURRY.. 2015:. 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016:. 45.0%, 160 fga

LEBRON 2015:. 37.0%, 343 fga
LEBRON 2016:. 37.1%, 251 fga

If you're counting all shots inside the 3pt line as mid-range ....then that favors MJ in 1997 since the NBA was still using the shorter 3pt line.

[3ball]

If you're counting all shots inside the 3pt line as mid-range ....then that favors MJ in 1997 since the NBA was still using the shorter 3pt line.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan's advantage in efficiency and volume on 2-point jumpshots is so severe, that the 1 foot makes no difference.

But regardless, Jordan shot far better than Curry on jumpshots inside 20 feet, on [COLOR="navy"]FIVE[/COLOR] times the volume:[/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Curry 2015[COLOR="White"]............ [/COLOR]Curry 2016 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]

8-16 ft......... 51.8%, 682 fga........... 46.8%, 126 fga........ 50.0%, 90 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 38.1%, 84 fga



[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Lebron 2009[COLOR="White"]........... [/COLOR]Lebron 2016

8-16 ft......... 51.8%, 682 fga........... 30.7%, 163 fga........ 34.8%, 153 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 40.4%, 213 fga........ 41.9%, 136 fga



Anyway you slice it, Jordan was FAR better at 2-point jumpshooting than both Curry and Lebron...

And MJ wouldn't even NEED to be a good shooter in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, but they're still the NBA's best scorers because the wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before.

Today's open game would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way - but he would ALSO have goat midrange efficiency, and therefore a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

[Achilleas]

curry 3 points 2016
he make 339 he shoot 747 .454
339 * 3 =1017

mj 2 midrange points 1997
he make 593 he shoot 1202 .493
593 * 2 =1186

so mj shoot 455 more shots to make 169 more points

curry is the goat

[Round Mound]

I wonder what Jerry West did in the mid range. The dude shot a very high% in a faster pace type of play.

[3ball]

curry 3 points 2016
he make 339 he shoot 747 .454
339 * 3 =1017

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan was a far better 2-point jumpshooter than Curry - his efficiency was far better on jumpshots inside the 3-point line, despite [COLOR="Navy"]FIVE[/COLOR] times the volume:[/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Curry 2015[COLOR="White"]............ [/COLOR]Curry 2016 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]

8-16 ft......... 51.8%, 682 fga........... 46.8%, 126 fga........ 50.0%, 90 fga

16-24 ft....... 48.2%, 495 fga........... 39.4%, 218 fga........ 45.1%, 113 fga


^^^^ NOT EVEN CLOSE



[COLOR="DarkRed"]Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN 1997[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 49.3%, 1202 fga

[COLOR="Navy"]CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2015[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 41.1%, 285 fga
[COLOR="Navy"]CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2016[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 45.0%, 160 fga

so mj shoot 455 more shots to make 169 more points

curry is the goat

Will Curry guard Lebron in the Finals?. Otherwise, he's nowhere near MJ.





Jordan's GOAT two-way performance included being the primary defender on Magic - MJ guarded him for 14 of 20 quarters, which included holding Magic to 0-0-0 with 1 TO in critical Game 3 OT, shown here.. (btw, Pippen missed that OT by fouling out - classic Pippen - MIA in the critical moments of the series).

The 1991 matchup was one of the best ever because it showcased the regular season MVP (Jordan) vs. the runner-up (Magic), and both guys were top 5 all-time players.. But MJ dominated the matchup - here's their overall stats for the series:

[color=darkred]JORDAN 1991 FINALS:[/color][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33/7/11 on 56%
[color=indigo]MAGIC[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1991 FINALS:[/color][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19/7/13 on 43%


Obviously, MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's - this is especially true against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.


[color="navy"]DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:[/color]

[color=darkred]Pippen guarded Magic for:[/color]

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none

[color=darkred]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUC9fSFdik
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6AWPT6fG0
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueGQChyFuU
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0LJVxaqD0
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNFQSBUe5c


[color=darkred]Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%)[/color].
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[Labissiere]

Curry >>>> Jordan confirmed. Thanks for the data.

That's what I saw too. Wasn't sure what the OP was trying to prove by showing Curry having the best jumpshot