Scottie Pippen is the most Overrated AND Underrated player ever

[Tarik One]

Is there any other player more polarizing than Scottie Pippen? The only player I can come up with in which basketball fans and critics regard him as overrated as well as underrated. What gives?

[Roundball_Rock]

What gives is agenda driven posting. Look at the recent Pippen threads. Guess who is always diminishing Pippen into borderline all-star status? They are all fans of the same guy...

He is underrated because people forget what he did as the #1 option in his prime.

Pippen is the GOAT perimeter defender, was a MVP caliber player, and at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF in his prime. Was this because of Michael Jordan? For 1

[Bigsmoke]

Pippen is overrated and dont see anything underrated about him... and i'm from Chicago

[chitownsfinest]

I agree with this post. He is underrated when you have people claiming Jordan made him and that he was worse the Glen Rice (like Bruce Blitz once claimed).

He is overrated when you have agenda driven posters claiming he was the sole reason for Jordan's playoff success and all of a sudden made Jordan into a better player when he came in.

[Roundball_Rock]

Let me guess: you are a MJ fan?

[White Chocolate]

He's underrated because many people have no idea how well he played in 1993-94 and most of 1994-95 without MJ. He could have won MVP and no one would have complained. Although Admiral and Dream both had cases, Pippen did too and most would have had no problem with him winning the award.


He's overrated because people only look at his years without MJ and say "If he could do that without MJ, he could have been one of the best of all-time".

[Duncan21formvp]

Pippen is the most overrated player ever. If he were soo good then that means out of 6 finals that the Bulls won he should have gotten at least 1 finals mvp. He also should have finished top 3 in MVP voting more than once.

Pippen < Tony Parker


Parker was able to get a finals mvp.

[Roundball_Rock]

He's overrated because people only look at his years without MJ and say "If he could do that without MJ, he could have been one of the best of all-time".

It is a reasonable assumption that a player's stats are deflated while playing with the GOAT. This was on stark display in 1995 when you look at his stats without Jordan and then with Jordan. Was he really a better player in 1995 than 1996? He was basically the same player from 1994-97 but he did not get the recognition and stats in 96'/97' because of MJ's long shadow. It is not as if 1994 and 1995 were anomalies where his performance suddenly skyrocketed.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen is the most overrated player ever. If he were soo good then that means out of 6 finals that the Bulls won he should have gotten at least 1 finals mvp.

@ the notion that the media would have given the finals MVP to someone other than their favorite sports darling of all-time MJ if the Bulls won.

How could he finish top 3 in MVP voting more than once when he was in MJ's shadow for nearly his entire prime? Even with that he did finish 5th in 1996, and was barely behind 4th place Hakeem.

Pippen in 1992: 21/8/7/2
Pippen in 1994: 22/9/6/3

Pippen's MVP vote in 1992: 9th with 3% of the vote
Pippen's MVP vote in 1994: 3rd with 39% of the vote

I guess that extra steal was the reason for the 13x increase in his MVP vote?

[Duncan21formvp]

@ the notion that the media would have given the finals MVP to someone other than their favorite sports darling of all-time MJ if the Bulls won.

How could he finish top 3 in MVP voting more than once when he was in MJ's shadow for nearly his entire prime? Even with that he did finish 5th in 1996, and was barely behind 4th place Hakeem.

Doesn't matter, he wasn't good enough to get finals mvp. He wasn't good enough to finish top 3 in MVP voting more than once. He was overrated. He should be compared to guys like Michael Redd, John Salmons, etc.

[branslowski]

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]

Pippen is the most overrated player ever. If he were soo good then that means out of 6 finals that the Bulls won he should have gotten at least 1 finals mvp. He also should have finished top 3 in MVP voting more than once.

Maybe because he was playing along side of the GOAT...How is he overrated for not winning a Finals MVP over the GOAT? His resume speaks for itself.

Pippen < Tony Parker

Pippen, better All-Round Player, Defender, lead a team to 55 wins after the GOAT retired. STFU

Parker was able to get a finals mvp

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[Maniak]

Pippen is the most overrated player ever. If he were soo good then that means out of 6 finals that the Bulls won he should have gotten at least 1 finals mvp. He also should have finished top 3 in MVP voting more than once.

Pippen < Tony Parker


Parker was able to get a finals mvp.

So we're basing the goodness of Pippen on his awards? You're not going to look at his clutch ability, his amazing versatility on the floor, his athleticism that allowed him do amazing moves nobody in the NBA does anymore, his awesome defense, his sportsmanship to be able to accept being #2, or his performances WITHOUT Jordan?

[chitownsfinest]

@ the notion that the media would have given the finals MVP to someone other than their favorite sports darling of all-time MJ if the Bulls won.

How could he finish top 3 in MVP voting more than once when he was in MJ's shadow for nearly his entire prime? Even with that he did finish 5th in 1996, and was barely behind 4th place Hakeem.

To be fair, with the possible exception of 91 (where he played great and played nice D on Magic), Pippen never really played good enough in any of the other 5 finals series to win the Finals MVP over Jordan. I do believe Rodman and Jordan should have been co-finals MVP's in 96 though.

[DCL]

if you include all the dialogue from his biggest nutr1ders and his biggest haters, i think the haters' voices are much louder, so he is underrated. but this is pretty true. people view his game so differently. often, one might see blue and another might see purple. they're different colors but still sorta in line with each other. but with pip, it's like one sees green and another sees pink. both sides think the other side is completely retarded.

[Bush4Ever]

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