Official Lebron resurgence for 2015 MVP (5th) Thread

[SamuraiSWISH]

4. Hell, even his raw stats arent as impressive as Currys or Hardens.

Huh?

LeBron: 26 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg on 49%
Curry: 24 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg on 48%
Harden: 27 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg on 45%

And LeBron is STILL a better defender than both of those guys. He's been sitting on the bench in numerous fourth quarters or for long stretches due to complete blow outs since his return, and the trades.

LeBron deserved his first 4 MVP's but if the season ended today, it'd be a travesty if he won.

A travesty? No one has particularly stood out as clear MVP this season. Golden State is utterly stacked on both sides of the ball. So I don't know why you're exclusively citing Cleveland's roster upgrades.

In Curry's case, the core of his team has been together for sometime ... so they have that in their favor as well. Along with back court mate scores near the same volume a game as him, while being easily the better defender.

Harden is doing his best job to keep a Dwight-less Houston team a float and has looked good doing it ... but his PPG still gets padded by ridiculous amount of foul calls. And he's yet to prove he's that player in the post season when teams D up, and refs swallow the whistle.

Yet this huge Cavalier turnaround, and explosion is to be shrugged off? Still have like half a season to go ... Cleveland will probably finish up as the 2nd seed, unless there is a 2014 Pacers collapse by Atlanta.

James is the best player on the floor, the GM, and the coach. Leading a team that was just put together a few months ago, a rookie NBA coach, and two "superstars" who have only really proven until this point to me Me First stat padding losers who have never played a meaningful NBA game yet (post season) in their entire career yet.

What he's doing this season with them is actually very impressive. As I said, particularly from a leadership stand point. The chemistry on the team looks fantastic, and Love was inconsistently not himself ... and he's even bringing a weirdo loner like him into his own to gel on a championship caliber team.

Honestly, I'd go MVP as of now:

1) Harden
2) LeBron
3) Curry
4) A.D.

But Bron is still clearly the best player in the league. And his momentum headed into the second half of the season could help him win the award, unless voter fatigue is still strong. Things can change quick in the MVP race. Last year KD had it sewn up through January, and then Bron had an explosion. If he didn't trail off for a bit, he could've won it again. You're being disingenuous to the context of everything.

LeBron winning MVP in 2011 would've been ridiculous for context reasons. LeBron winning MVP in 2015 would be totally justifiable for contextual reasons.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Huh?

LeBron: 26 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg on 49%
Curry: 24 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg on 48%
Harden: 27 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg on 45%

And LeBron is STILL a better defender than both of those guys. He's been sitting on the bench in numerous fourth quarters or for long stretches due to complete blow outs since his return, and the trades.





A travesty? No one has particularly stood out as clear MVP this season. Golden State is utterly stacked on both sides of the ball. So I don't know why you're exclusively citing Cleveland's roster upgrades.

In Curry's case, the core of his team has been together for sometime ... so they have that in their favor as well. Along with back court mate scores near the same volume a game as him, while being easily the better defender.

Harden is doing his best job to keep a Dwight-less Houston team a float and has looked good doing it ... but his PPG still gets padded by ridiculous amount of foul calls. And he's yet to prove he's that player in the post season when teams D up, and refs swallow the whistle.

Yet this huge Cavalier turnaround, and explosion is to be shrugged off? Still have like half a season to go ... Cleveland will probably finish up as the 2nd seed, unless there is a 2014 Pacers collapse by Atlanta.

James is the best player on the floor, the GM, and the coach. Leading a team that was just put together a few months ago, a rookie NBA coach, and two "superstars" who have only really proven until this point to me Me First stat padding losers who have never played a meaningful NBA game yet (post season) in their entire career yet.

What he's doing this season with them is actually very impressive. As I said, particularly from a leadership stand point. The chemistry on the team looks fantastic, and Love was inconsistently not himself ... and he's even bringing a weirdo loner like him into his own to gel on a championship caliber team.

Honestly, I'd go MVP as of now:

1) Harden
2) LeBron
3) Curry
4) A.D.

But Bron is still clearly the best player in the league. And his momentum headed into the second half of the season could help him win the award, unless voter fatigue is still strong. Things can change quick in the MVP race. Last year KD had it sewn up through January, and then Bron had an explosion. If he didn't trail off for a bit, he could've won it again. You're being disingenuous to the context of everything.

LeBron winning MVP in 2011 would've been ridiculous for context reasons. LeBron winning MVP in 2015 would be totally justifiable for contextual reasons.

Blowouts?

Curry has averaged what lol, 33 minutes a game this year? Yet you think LEBRONS raw stats don't do him justice?

LeBron simply isn't the MVP and its not even close dude. Props to him for turning the Cavs ship around. But Curry and Harden have been better and have played on better teams, in a stronger conference. Their advanced stats (since again, LeBron fans love to parrot analytics) show them to be SO much better that its not even close. And Golden States "stackedness" is offset by LeBron playing in the East. As for Houston, theyve been without Dwight AND without their 3rd best player (oft forgotten), Jones, yet they're still winning 2/3 of their games in the West.

That's game set and match. LeBron has no case. It would be a reputation MVP if there ever was one. His MVP standing gains traction whenever he throws up a vintage 30,9,8 on 60% shooting game, yet whenever he has one of those games where he turns the ball over 8 times and plays casual D and clanks his free throws, it gets glossed over.

[JT123]

And since July, they've acquired (besides LeBron), Love, Marion, Shumpert, Mozgov, Smith, Marion, Miller and Jones. Let's not act like, say, Harden has had more help. He hasn't, yet his team has been better in an infinitely stronger conference.

Marion, Miller, and Jones aren't even good players anymore, and have been out of the rotation for most of the season. Love has arguably been the biggest underachiever in the league this season, and Shumpert, Smith, and Mozgov are nothing more than average role players at best. This is why Lebron is MVP. He has uneducated fans thinking that washed up/average role players are much better than they actually are.