Better Finals performer LeBron or Jordan?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Excellent research. And I'm asking you to do a lot here but could you post MJ's 1st 3 peat numbers and Lebron's best 3 Finals and see how they stack up.

Thanks man

MJ 1st 3 Titles:



LeBron 1st 3 Titles

[3ball]

SHUT IT DOWN!!! Lebron has the best prime out of any finals performer ever? Holy shit, he has done work over the last 5 years.

Jordan had equal assists especially when you consider turnovers.

So it comes down to Jordan's 7 point scoring edge (career) versus Lebron's 4 rebounds..

Obviously, the 7 points are far more important - [COLOR="Navy"]Lebron would be on an entirely different level if he averaged 7 more points[/COLOR].. Let some unskilled big man grab the rebounds.

[Mr Feeny]

MJ 1st 3 Titles:



LeBron 1st 3 Titles

Thank you. I guess it depends on the cutoff points. If we take 3 year stretches as our definition of "prime", MJ's comfortably ahead.
If we compare their career finals stats, MJ is ahead.
If we compare just post 2011 lebron with MJ's first 5 Titles, it's much closer and one could argue lebron is close to being MJ's equal there.

[Quickening]

Jordan scores a lot more with equal assists, especially when you consider turnovers.

So it comes down to Jordan's 7 point scoring edge versus Lebron's 4 rebounds..

Obviously, the 7 points are far more important - [COLOR="Navy"]Lebron would be on an entirely different level if he averaged 7 more points[/COLOR].. Let some unskilled big man grab the rebounds.

Sorry to break it to you, but I look at 5 year stretches, because that shows a players prime. Lebron has better numbers for 5 consecutive finals 12-16, than MJ does in his 5 best.

You can concentrate on career stats or whatever bro.

Lebron has the best prime in finals, WOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Da_Realist]

These numbers don't mean anything. Lebron shot 57% from the field in 2014 while the Spurs were raping his team by 20 points a game. Meanwhile, he's cherrypicking shots to make sure he had a good fg %.

[NBAGOAT]

How smart is that?

SRS predicted a Warriors destruction of the Cavs in these last Finals... but it was wrong, because in the end it's just a dumb stat.

SRS predicted similar losses for Jordan in the Finals as well (1993 and 1998)

Using single stats like SRS or RAPM to make definitive statements about basketball has never worked, ever

you're just lying again. the Bulls had a higher SRS in 98 and by a decent amount(7.23 to 5.74). Suns were higher in 93 but it's essentially a wash(6.27 to 6.19). SRS didn't predict a destruction at all like it did for Warriors vs Cavs. It's not definitive but it's still one of the better stats out there for rating a team.

[3ball]

MJ 1st 3 Titles:



LeBron 1st 3 Titles

Your Lebron stats are wrong - I doubt Lebron averaged 28 ppg in his first 3 Finals, considering he averaged 22, 18, and 29 in those Finals.

[3ball]

Lebron has better numbers for 5 consecutive finals 12-16, than MJ does in his 5 best.

Jordan averaged 4 more points, better efficiency, and equal assists.

So again, I'll take Jordan's 4 points with better efficiency over Lebron's 3 rebounds any day of the week, and so would you.

[hateraid]

I'll take the one that:

*Shows up to play regardless of the A/C's temp
*Does not let a series go to 7 games
*6/6
*Does NOT let the person guarding him win MVP
*Does NOT collude
*Is not purposely given wide open after wide open after wide open shots for an
entire series
*Is not shut down by an overweight Diaw
*Does not sit out in critical moments due to a cramp

So based on personal opinion and not on substance. Great way to assess players. Let's play your game

*Does not quit halfway through a career
*Does not let his team still become a playoff contender while he's gone
*Does not let his dad get killed over a bet
*Does not go 1/9 in the playoffs without an elite wing
*Does not slap around his teammates
*Does not have the worse 3 pt contest performance in NBA history

[Quickening]

Jordan averaged 4 more points, better efficiency, and equal assists.

So again, I'll take Jordan's 4 points with better efficiency over Lebron's 3 rebounds any day of the week, and so would you.

Fair enough. Ill take the 4 extra rebounds, more shots blocked, steals and assists

[andgar923]

Jordan averaged 4 more points, better efficiency, and equal assists.

So again, I'll take Jordan's 4 points with better efficiency over Lebron's 3 rebounds any day of the week, and so would you.

F*ck the stats.

I'll take the 6/6

[andgar923]

So based on personal opinion and not on substance. Great way to assess players. Let's play your game

*Does not quit halfway through a career
*Does not let his team still become a playoff contender while he's gone
*Does not let his dad get killed over a bet
*Does not go 1/9 in the playoffs without an elite wing
*Does not slap around his teammates
*Does not have the worse 3 pt contest performance in NBA history

Are you a retard?

Seriously?

[Da_Realist]

Obviously I don't trust Lebron's numbers. I need a deeper analysis. Like whatever he did to protect his stats against San Antonio when they bounced the Heat in 5 games by an average of 20 points is a strike against him. He didn't lay it all on the line. He shot his layups, chip ins and putbacks and then laid down. Greatest Finals performer ever? Please.

Because he dominates the ball, pretty much every possession will improve his stats as long as his teammates hit some shots.

[Quickening]

Obviously I don't trust Lebron's numbers. I need a deeper analysis. Like whatever he did to protect his stats against San Antonio when they bounced the Heat in 5 games by an average of 20 points is a strike against him. He didn't lay it all on the line. He shot his layups, chip ins and putbacks and then laid down. Greatest Finals performer ever? Please.

Because he dominates the ball, pretty much every possession will improve his stats as long as his teammates hit some shots.

So MJ in the competitive 80s era, all empty stats I take it?

[Hey Yo]

Your Lebron stats are wrong - I doubt Lebron averaged 28 ppg in his first 3 Finals, considering he averaged 22, 18, and 29 in those Finals.

It says "first 3 titles"........not "first 3 finals"