If Kobe is the Closest Thing Since Jordan...

[sammichoffate]

Then why isn't he included in people's top 5? Question of efficiency? Accolades? Reputation? Career Circumstances? No agenda, I have him in my top 10, around 6-8. It's just a question that I would like to get some honest discussion on.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes, poor man's cover band Jordan.

30 / 5 / 5 v.s. 25 / 5 / 5
6x rings v.s. 5x rings
5x MVPs v.s. MVP
6x FMVP v.s. 2x FMVP
10 scoring titles v.s. 2 scoring titles
DPOY

[navy]

Then why isn't he included in people's top 5? Question of efficiency? Accolades? Reputation? Career Circumstances? No agenda, I have him in my top 10, around 6-8. It's just a question that I would like to get some honest discussion on.

He doesnt have the resume because of his Shaq years and the few years he played with scrubs on the Lakers.

You could make a case if him being the best talent next to Jordan, but not statistically nor with accolades.

[JohnFreeman]

Because Jordan can do everything Kobe can, but better. LeBron has no man to man comparison, because we have never seen someone of that size do what he does.

[sammichoffate]

I'm having trouble understanding the logic behind some of your answers. Even if Kobe did somewhat less than Jordan, he still put up elite stats and accolades career-wise and was willing to lead teams to championships. Wouldn't that warrant a top 5 spot?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm having trouble understanding the logic behind some of your answers. Even if Kobe did somewhat less than Jordan, he still put up elite stats and accolades career-wise and was willing to lead teams to championships. Wouldn't that warrant a top 5 spot?

Huh? He's easily in almost everyone's top ten all-time. Just because he's poor man's Jordan doesn't mean he wasn't great. He's just not AS great as the greatest ever. No shame in that.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Because Russell, Magic, Bird, and Kareem + plus MJ of course. So that leaves him at 6th.

[imnew09]

you know you're great when you are the "closest thing" since jordan. So many great NBA players in the past, yet Kobe is the closest to Jordan and you still try to discredit him?

[JohnFreeman]

Because Russell, Magic, Bird, and Kareem + plus MJ of course. So that leaves him at 6th.

Shaq? Duncan?

[sammichoffate]

Huh? He's easily in almost everyone's top ten all-time. Just because he's poor man's Jordan doesn't mean he wasn't great. He's just not AS great as the greatest ever. No shame in that.

Yeah ik there's no shame in it. It just bugs the hell out of me when people say he's the closest to MJ for the past 15+ years and not include him in top 5 discussions based on that.

[Cold soul]

Shaq? Duncan?

Kobe better than both but its debateable. All three can make a solid case.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe better than both but its debateable. All three can make a solid case.

Kobe isn't in my top ten, but Shaq and Duncan are probably before Kobe.

[Cold soul]

I have Kobe ranked #6 all-time, he should be in 6-9 range.

[sammichoffate]

you know you're great when you are the "closest thing" since jordan. So many great NBA players in the past, yet Kobe is the closest to Jordan and you still try to discredit him?

I'm not discrediting him, i'm trying to figure out why others discredit him so hard, it's infuriating sometimes because they spit out so much bs about his career instead of looking at the positives objectively.

[Cold soul]

Kobe isn't in my top ten, but Shaq and Duncan are probably before Kobe.

Cool you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree though.