Greatest scoring seasons in history..

[aj1987]

Watching him play basketball and tens of thousands of others who cant do what he did.....thats why.

Jerry Stackhouse had a season, during which he chucked like crazy. Dude averaged 30 points on better efficiency than AI. Are we gonna call him a great scorer? Iverson was scoring 31 PPG on 28 shots and 9 FT's a game. Heck, there are too many players to count, who could do it if given the chance.

TS% is flawed when evaluating any player in the 2 to make 3 and 3 to make 2 era, it overly penalizes players with low free throw percentage as it does not factor in the fact that players were actually getting more opportunities to score at the line if they missed their first or 2nd attempts. A player like Wilt for example, was almost always going to make points at the line if he was sent there, even if he only shot a low FT%... because he always had an extra chance to make the shot. It inflates his total number of free throws taken, but makes it appear as if he wasn't scoring often every time he was sent to the line but that isn't true at all. This alone is a huge flaw in comparing TS% and there are other equally huge problems with it like not having 3 point shots prior to it's inception in the NBA.... TS% is a MODERN stat, it simply does not apply to past players.

So, if Wilt made the first two FT's, would the 3rd attempt still be counted, even if does actually attempt it?

[LAZERUSS]

One of the flaws in this is the fact that it does not take era eFG% and TS% into account.

In any of these cross-era comparisons, the players of the 60's always get downgraded because of "pace", but virtually no one ever addresses the issue of league averages in eFG% and TS%.

And CavsFTW already mentioned the different FT rules that existed at the time, as well. The poorer FT shooters, who went to the line frequently, are punished much more , despite the fact that a player going 2-3 from the line back then, was the equivalent of shooting 2-2. They did account for all FTAs back then, but again, shooting 2-3 was exactly the same as 2-2. Incidently, after the sixth team foul, a player getting an "and-one" on a scored basket, would get a second FTA if he missed the first. Clearly, Wilt's TS%'s were considerably higher than his actual TS%'s. Fpliii has already covered it in another topic, but you can safely add another 1-2%, or more to his seasonal TS%'s.

And just using eFG% as an example, Wilt's .540 in his 65-66 season (33.5 ppg), came in an NBA that had an eFG% of .433. Adjusting his eFG% to the current NBA mark of .499 would translate to a .622 eFG% in today's NBA. His .683 mark in an NBA that shot .441 (66-67... and 24.1 ppg), would translate to a staggering .772 in the current NBA.

[Number24]

I'll sick with the mountain lions argument. It makes sense!

[dunksby]

One of the flaws in this is the fact that it does not take era eFG% and TS% into account.

In any of these cross-era comparisons, the players of the 60's always get downgraded because of "pace", but virtually no one ever addresses the issue of league averages in eFG% and TS%.

And CavsFTW already mentioned the different FT rules that existed at the time, as well. The poorer FT shooters, who went to the line frequently, are punished much more , despite the fact that a player going 2-3 from the line back then, was the equivalent of shooting 2-2. They did account for all FTAs back then, but again, shooting 2-3 was exactly the same as 2-2. Incidently, after the sixth team foul, a player getting an "and-one" on a scored basket, would get a second FTA if he missed the first. Clearly, Wilt's TS%'s were considerably higher than his actual TS%'s. Fpliii has already covered it in another topic, but you can safely add another 1-2%, or more to his seasonal TS%'s.

And just using eFG% as an example, Wilt's .540 in his 65-66 season (33.5 ppg), came in an NBA that had an eFG% of .433. Adjusting his eFG% to the current NBA mark of .499 would translate to a .622 eFG% in today's NBA. His .683 mark in an NBA that shot .441 (66-67... and 24.1 ppg), would translate to a staggering .772 in the current NBA.

Wilt averaged 50PPG for a whole season, no matter how you look at it, it's godly, stop being a sensitive old ass every time Wilt is mentioned anywhere.

[Kblaze8855]

Jerry Stackhouse had a season, during which he chucked like crazy. Dude averaged 30 points on better efficiency than AI. Are we gonna call him a great scorer? Iverson was scoring 31 PPG on 28 shots and 9 FT's a game.

And every single person watching them do it ranked AI as elite and Stackhouse as a guy shooting a lot who isnt that good. What do you think fooled all these millions of people?

Besides he also had seasons doing 33 a game on 45% shooting. And he wasnt as good as he was when he was scoring less on worse shooting...

Heck, there are too many players to count, who could do it if given the chance.

I suppose that forces one to ask....if there are too many players to count who could be Allen Iverson given the chance why didnt struggling teams simply...have someone become Allen Iverson? If its as simple as taking shots why doesnt everyone have a first ballof HOF player who puts up 27 or so a game for 10+ years?

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

Because most GMs and coaches wanted to win. Having your best player be horribly inefficient and keep on chucking is not a recipe for success.

[BoutPractice]

72 Kareem and 88 Jordan are in an incredible sweet spot here: 35 ppg on over 60 TS%

[havoc33]

And every single person watching them do it ranked AI as elite and Stackhouse as a guy shooting a lot who isnt that good. What do you think fooled all these millions of people?

Besides he also had seasons doing 33 a game on 45% shooting. And he wasnt as good as he was when he was scoring less on worse shooting...




I suppose that forces one to ask....if there are too many players to count who could be Allen Iverson given the chance why didnt struggling teams simply...have someone become Allen Iverson? If its as simple as taking shots why doesnt everyone have a first ballof HOF player who puts up 27 or so a game for 10+ years?

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

Thank you. The ignorance of some people here. People act like it's EASY to score 25-27 over a whole career, and will totally disregard the player if the fg% isn't good enough. If it was so damn easy scoring the ball like that, why don't we have more people doing it? Surely there should be hundreds of these ineffective AI's and Kobe's out there shattering all sorts of scoring records, no? Well it ain't happening cause it's bloody hard, that's why. There's a reason why KD, as great and effective a scorer he is, still hasn't been able to pull off the type of scoring streaks that Kobe did in his prime. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work, dedication, skill and perseverance to do so. People need to realise that probably 99% of the players in the NBA today would KILL to have the career of Allen Iverson, yet they have no where the talent or consistency to pull it off.

[Kblaze8855]

Because most GMs and coaches wanted to win. Having your best player be horribly inefficient and keep on chucking is not a recipe for success.

AI was as much as a huge percentage of the hall of fame and more than a great many. And he did it with less help than almost all of them.

If some team could just tell Ben Gordon or John Starks to be Allen Iverson...the league would always have 6 of them.

[ArbitraryWater]

AI was as much as a huge percentage of the hall of fame and more than a great many. And he did it with less help than almost all of them.

If some team could just tell Ben Gordon or John Starks to be Allen Iverson...the league would always have 6 of them.

Iverson wasn't a great scorer. Thats a damn fact. I dont know why you always feel the need to defend EVERYBODY...

[Kblaze8855]

Because 90% of the complaints about players on that level are ****ing idiotic.

The idea that anyone could score 30+ppg in the NBA many times, have a 33ppg season, be a top 5 or so all time scorer by PPG, have over 24 thousand points despite having only 5-6 full healthy seasons, and have several different seasons where he scores 34-35ppg for half the year....and not be a great scorer?

Its ****ing idiotic.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Durant is having arguably the best scoring season ever.

Probably wouldn't be renowned as such unless he finished with 50/40/90 though.

Hes not getting 90 ive accepted it
He will be right at 90% if he makes his next 200 free throws straight that not happening

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

The idea that anyone could score 30+ppg in the NBA many times, have a 33ppg season, be a top 5 or so all time scorer by PPG, have over 24 thousand points despite having only 5-6 full healthy seasons, and have several different seasons where he scores 34-35ppg for half the year....and not be a great scorer?

Its ****ing idiotic.

Anyone? No.

But most of the already all -stars? Sure.

Melo last year and this year is a perfect example. They aren't winning sh*t. And Melo has the green light to chuck at will. And he PPG shows it.

Many all-star type players can score 30+ on inefficient shooting. The problem is that not many all stars have the backing from the GM and coach to just "chuck at will" that AI had for all of his career. Because those GMs and coaches want to win ball games. And having a guy shoot 30+ times a night on horrible percentages doesn't win ballgames.

(Btw, Pistol Pete did the same thing in college that AI did in the pros. Chucked at will. And I've seen you repeatedly downplay Pete's "scoring.")

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe in 06 is the greatest regular season by a player, ever.

[Jacks3]

Thank you. The ignorance of some people here. People act like it's EASY to score 25-27 over a whole career, and will totally disregard the player if the fg% isn't good enough. If it was so damn easy scoring the ball like that, why don't we have more people doing it? Surely there should be hundreds of these ineffective AI's and Kobe's out there shattering all sorts of scoring records, no? Well it ain't happening cause it's bloody hard, that's why. There's a reason why KD, as great and effective a scorer he is, still hasn't been able to pull off the type of scoring streaks that Kobe did in his prime. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work, dedication, skill and perseverance to do so. People need to realise that probably 99% of the players in the NBA today would KILL to have the career of Allen Iverson, yet they have no where the talent or consistency to pull it off.

Don't put Bryant in the same sentence as Iverson. He actually has very good efficiency.