Promotion of Jordan was shoved in America's throats more than any player by the NBA

[Asukal]

Your retort was eloquent, well done.

[Bandito]

Jeez gengiskhan your hate for Kobe knows no bounds. Did he owe you money or something? Why the hate?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

If Jordan looked like Pippen, Kareem would be the undisputed GOAT.

[TheMan]

I agree with the OP. It was a perfect storm though - an unearthly talented player, whose playing style demanded attention, a weak era for him to dominate, and a marketing campaign that wouldn't quit.

Apart from it grating to live through, it was bad for basketball because it elevated Jordan to a level where he simply is not. Not by any objective standard. Yet, here, in this thread, we have someone to compare him to Gretzky. Even if you think Jordan is the GOAT...it is debatable...unlike Gretzky who dominated his sport to where there are basically no arguments.

This is what happens when foreigners try to talk basketball

[DJ Leon Smith]

If Jordan looked like Pippen, Kareem would be the undisputed GOAT.

nh

[gengiskhan]

Jeez gengiskhan your hate for Kobe knows no bounds. Did he owe you money or something? Why the hate?

Because the only guy shoved down America's throat is Kobe Bryant. Not even Lebron.

Kobe Bryant is literally called the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan & yet he has 1 season MVP to show for it. AI has 1 MVP, Derrick Rose has 1 MVP etc etc.

How is Kobe a 2nd coming of MJ when he is not even the face of his own franchise & also he COLLECTED rings thanks to Shaq.

& he is already put in Top 10 GOAT. WHICH HE IS DEFINITELY NOT! no matter how you look at it. Stats, post-season performances etc etc.

Kobe is all-time great but NOT Top 10 GOAT.

Yet, NBA ESPN etc etc sold Kobe successfully to modern day NBA fanboys.

Hence, my hatred towards Kobe.

[Borderlands]

Promotion of Jordan WAS shoved in America's throats.

In fact, I think it has endangered the lives of our athletic youth by placing unrealistic goals on them. THe rise of hip hop culture is another effect it had. People are now getting murdered over a pair of sneakers. Jordan popularized a sport and made kids across the nation play basketball but are our youth healthier then they were 40 years ago? The answer is no. Obesity rates are at there highest levels.

[Sarcastic]

The only ones who initially promoted Jordan was Nike. During the mid 1980s, the NBA did very little to promote Jordan, and even went so far to stop some of the things he was doing. They banned his sneakers at first. They didn't like his gold chains that he used to wear. When he first entered the league, the NBA was still heavily promoting Bird and Magic. It wasn't till about 1988 or 1989 when the NBA started to feature him more. Before that, he was known as a pure chucker, who couldn't win, and only cared about his stats. He wasn't the Chosen One from the moment he entered the NBA. He worked hard for it.

[Knoe Itawl]

The only ones who initially promoted Jordan was Nike. During the mid 1980s, the NBA did very little to promote Jordan, and even went so far to stop some of the things he was doing. They banned his sneakers at first. They didn't like his gold chains that he used to wear. When he first entered the league, the NBA was still heavily promoting Bird and Magic. It wasn't till about 1988 or 1989 when the NBA started to feature him more. Before that, he was known as a pure chucker, who couldn't win, and only cared about his stats. He wasn't the Chosen One from the moment he entered the NBA. He worked hard for it.

All true. he certainly didn't come into the league with the kind of promotion Bryant and Lebron got without playing a day. Although I will say that I remember a news feature with Brokaw talking about how much of a sensation he was in like 1987.

Also, it's funny to me how some people are either too legitmately dense or acting dense in not understanding that it IS possible for someone to be very hyped and yet earn and deserve every bit of that hype.

It's an extremely rare occassion when both of those things coincide, but Jordan fit that mold.

Therefore, SO WHAT if he was heavily promoted? His entertainment and substance factor was off the charts, so he was worth it and more. I know some Jordan haters hate that but fact is from casual fans to seasoned followers of the game to the pros themselves, Jordan lived up to it. It's only a handful of detractors who somehow act as if the fact that he was heavily promoted in some way made him overrated.

[ihoopallday]

I want to be like Mike.

[guy]

If Jordan looked like Pippen, Kareem would be the undisputed GOAT.

And let me guess, if Jordan looked like Pippen and Pippen looked like Jordan then Pippen would be considered GOAT and Jordan would be considered the sidekick?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

And let me guess, if Jordan looked like Pippen and Pippen looked like Jordan then Pippen would be considered GOAT and Jordan would be considered the sidekick?

No but much would much more would be made about Jordan never winning without Pippen, Pippen taking the tougher defensive assignments, Pippen distributing the ball more, Pippen being a bad call away from the Finals without Jordan, Pippen missing out on even more championships due to Jordan's little league dreams.

[Leviathon1121]

No but much would much more would be made about Jordan never winning without Pippen, Pippen taking the tougher defensive assignments, Pippen distributing the ball more, Pippen being a bad call away from the Finals without Jordan, Pippen missing out on even more championships due to Jordan's little league dreams.

Look how mad this guy is

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Look how mad this guy is

Why would I be mad about simple psychology observed in countless studies?

The economics of good looks
http://www.economist.com/node/21526782

[TheMan]

Promotion of Jordan WAS shoved in America's throats.

In fact, I think it has endangered the lives of our athletic youth by placing unrealistic goals on them. THe rise of hip hop culture is another effect it had. People are now getting murdered over a pair of sneakers. Jordan popularized a sport and made kids across the nation play basketball but are our youth healthier then they were 40 years ago? The answer is no. Obesity rates are at there highest levels.

wtf, NSIS, how is that Jordan's fault?
You do realize that doctors say the main cause is a sedentary lifestyle because of the internet and video games, right?

This thread if full of butthurt