Convince me Kobe Bryant isn't Top 10 All Time.

[HOoopCityJones]

If we're going by the general formula, Kobe is around the top 10 (I'd have him at number 10).

But it wouldn't be hard to think of 10 players I'd rather build a franchise around.

Duncan is not over Kobe stop that nonsense.

Duncan has never even defended his title successfully.

[pauk]

Well someone could go something like:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Russell
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Hakeem

But generally he belongs at 8-10 somewhere... or higher if you are a hardcore stan... :P

[Jameerthefear]

where do u have kobe op?

[HOoopCityJones]

where do u have kobe op?

Micheal Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Bill Russel
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

[r15mohd]

Micheal Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Bill Russel
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

TD. And Hakeem are swappable...but higher than SHAQ?!?

[pauk]

Micheal Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Bill Russel
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

With that list you should have instead started a "Convince me Lebron James IS top 10 all time" thread..... because its extremly easy to do...

[HOoopCityJones]

TD. And Hakeem are swappable...but higher than SHAQ?!?

Kobe has one more ring and longevity over the big guy.

Are we gonna argue that Shaq coulda been greater?

Kobe exceeded expectations if anything.

With that list you should have instead started a "Convince me Lebron James IS top 10 all time" thread..... because its extremly easy to do...

Sorry , but Lebron still has work to do to crack my Top ten.

Kobe had three at a young age and no one was saying he was Top ten.

[Jameerthefear]

Micheal Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
Bill Russel
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

lol ok. your opinion sucks then

[r15mohd]

Kobe has one more ring and longevity over the big guy.

Are we gonna argue that Shaq coulda been greater?

Kobe exceeded expectations if anything.

A ring and longevity isn't even close to amounting SHAQ being the most dominant big to step foot on a bball court

[HOoopCityJones]

A ring and longevity isn't even close to amounting SHAQ being the most dominant big to step foot on a bball court

Wilt and Kareem are pretty dominate bigs themselves.

[rmt]

Duncan is not over Kobe stop that nonsense.

Duncan has never even defended his title successfully.

Neither has Bird, and most people have him higher than Kobe on a top 10 list. Using not defending his title as a reason for one and not another isn't exactly consistent.

I would hazard a guess that a majority of posters would choose Duncan over Kobe to start a franchise - especially with the big man bias.

Anyway, back to the OT. Lebron's not there yet, but another ring and FMVP would put him over Kobe. Then, depending on what you value for top 10 criteria, Kobe (accomplishments) or Hakeem (skill/big man bias) might be in or out of top 10.

[r15mohd]

Wilt and Kareem are pretty dominate bigs themselves.

This doesn't help your case at all if it's your argument, guess where they're placed...higher than Kobe and SHAQ, and SHAQ is more dominant than both those players as well

[GOATbe]

It's like trying to convince someone Kwame Brown is a top 10 player. There's no point in proving something I can't.

[K Xerxes]

LOL @ Hakeem over Kobe.

It is entirely reasonable for someone to place Hakeem over Kobe. Kobe has the career accomplishments, but if we're looking at it from a purely individual basis, Hakeem had more impact on the court. Edge to Kobe on scoring and better playmaking, but Hakeem was far superior defensively and rebounding.

[HOoopCityJones]

Neither has Bird, and most people have him higher than Kobe on a top 10 list. Using not defending his title as a reason for one and not another isn't exactly consistent.

I would hazard a guess that a majority of posters would choose Duncan over Kobe to start a franchise - especially with the big man bias.

Anyway, back to the OT. Lebron's not there yet, but another ring and FMVP would put him over Kobe. Then, depending on what you value for top 10 criteria, Kobe (accomplishments) or Hakeem (skill/big man bias) might be in or out of top 10.

I give Bird the nod over Kobe out of respect and nothing more , but I feel like the people I put over Shaq maximized their potential, if not surpassed it in someways.