Patrick Ewing vs David Robinson

[RedZiggyZag]

Where do people get this idea, that Ewing is some type of MLK Leader? And is some type of Bill Russell Playoff Performer? Because he was neither, Was he a better leader than David Robinson? Yes, but that's not saying much. Ewing was never that great of a leader anyways if you ask me, those 90s Knicks looked Out of Control most of the time. Was he a better playoff performer than Robinson? Arguable, both of their stats decreased when playoff time came. I also recall Ewing missing a finger roll in a Playoff game against the Pacers.

Honestly, I think as far as who is the better player goes, It's Robinson. I mean there really wasn't anything Ewing could do that Robinson couldn't. While there were certain things that Robinson could do that Ewing couldn't. Example would be Robinson could pretty much anchor your paint from block to block which is a rare occassion in the NBA.

One thing, that really bothers me was the fact that Ewing could never dominate the Bulls frontcourt in the playoffs, whlie Robinson has proved he could in Regular season games as did Olajuwon. Now the regular season is obviously different, but it seems if Robinson had to deal with the Bulls frontcourt it wouldn't be too hard of a time for him.

It's a toss up for me for who'd I rather have, but Robinson is the better player if you ask me. Originally I thought Ewing a while ago, but I'm going with Robinson now.

[G.O.A.T]

Both had some good casts, but Ewing accomplished more as the best player on his team. That's a fact. Ewing had better playoff performances, that's another fact. And I didn't even mention 1998 when Robinson had Duncan, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott and Vinny Del Negro, but once again all he could manage was a second round exit...as usual.

Yes greats like Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson and Sean Elliot post-kidney operation.

If your going to dismiss Robinson's titles because he had Duncan than you can't tout Ewing's 2 ECF, 1 NBA finals runs. Neither got a title and I think Ewing had the better cast when each was top dog.

Both are great, I think Robinson was a significantly more talented player with a dramtically better resume, and believe both were best suited as a 1A option.

[CB4GOATPF]

Robinson was Better

[COLOR="DarkRed"]*THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RINGS, MVP VOTINGS, ALL NBA TEAM SELECTIONS etc of Crap....But Real Broken Down Evidence and that COMPARED TO THE PLAYERS THAT SORRUNDED IN THEIR PRIMES AND OFCOURSE "BEFORE INJURIES"[/COLOR]

I hate to admit it but its truth

I never liked Robinson...i always felt he let himself go in the play-offs and should have had more toughness despite his initial crappy teams.

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson had a very weak team initially in his career[/COLOR]....up until 1997, especially [COLOR="blue"]Defensively[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]While Ewing had a Way Superior Defensive Team [/COLOR]

The Knicks by far had a [COLOR="Blue"]Superior Defensive Frontline [/COLOR]

Robinson had a [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]slightly better Offensive Perimeter Team or Slashing Team [/COLOR] but [COLOR="DarkRed"]Overal Weaker Team.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkred"]Robinson had to do more for his Weaker Team on both Offense and Defense:[/COLOR]

Robinson was just Better than Ewing

Offense:

[COLOR="black"]Mid Range Shooting:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkRed"]Equal[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Far Range Shooting: [/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]ofcourse Ewing (Best Pure Shooting Center of All Time)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Post Fadeways:[/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"]Ewing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Front Up Shooting:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkRed"]Equal[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]1 on 1 Off the Dribble Attack:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Drive to the Basket:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Ballhandling:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson
[COLOR="black"]Coast to Coast:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles (One of the Very Few Centers Capable of Dribbling Full Court. Was a Slashy-like version of Ralph Sampson in a Stronger yet Shorter Version)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Black"]Causing Missmatches/Double Teaming:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]

Defense:

[COLOR="black"]Man to Man Interior Defense:[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Ewing (Stronger Torso)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Overall Interior Defense:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson (Could Guard More Paint Area do do Athletic Capacity: Leap, Speed, Quickness and ofcourse Wingspam)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Shot Blocking:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Slight Edge to Robinson do again Athletic Capacity and Wingspam: etc[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Team Defense/Fill in Lanes etc: [/COLOR][COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson, again do to Athletic Capacity[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Floor Defense:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson (due to agility, wingspam, foot speed)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Rebounding:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson (Wingspam and Leap Helped)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Game Creating[/COLOR]: [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson [/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Passing:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Clutch:[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Shooting Ewing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Black"]Clutch Overall Play[/COLOR]: [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Mental Toughness: [/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"] Ewing[/COLOR]

Athletics:

[COLOR="Black"]Torso Strength: [/COLOR][COLOR="blue"]Slight Edge to Ewing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Floor Strength:[/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"]Ewing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Arm Strength:[/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"]Ewing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Overall Body Strength:[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Speed:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Quickness:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Agility:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson by Miles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="black"]Leaping Ability:[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson`s Impact[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...robinda01.html

Offense:

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robinson Was a Better Offensive Player due to his: Capacity to Drive, Cause Missmatches, Ballhandling Abilities and Athletic Capacity: Speed, Quickness, Leaping Ability and Wingspam

*Caused More Difficutlies to Stop
*Was More Doubled
*Wen`t More to the Line
*More ofa Missmatch [/COLOR]

Season Offensive Rating

1993-94 NBA 119.2 (6)
1994-95 NBA 119.9 (10)
Career NBA 116.3 (28)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]Career 116.3 (26)[/COLOR]

Season Free Throw Attempts

1989-90 NBA 837 (2)
1990-91 NBA 777 (2)
1991-92 NBA 561 (4)
1992-93 NBA 766 (2)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1993-94 NBA 925 (1)[/COLOR]
1994-95 NBA 847 (2)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1995-96 NBA 823 (1)[/COLOR]
1997-98 NBA 660 (4)
1998-99 NBA 363 (8)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]Career NBA 8201 (11)[/COLOR]

Defense:

Season Defensive Rating

1989-90 NBA 96.8 (2)
1990-91 NBA 95.9 (2)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1991-92 NBA 94.4 (1)[/COLOR]
1992-93 NBA 99.9 (6)
1993-94 NBA 98.0 (8)
1994-95 NBA 98.6 (3)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1995-96 NBA 96.5 (1)
1997-98 NBA 93.6 (1)
1998-99 NBA 87.9 (1)
1999-00 NBA 92.2 (1)[/COLOR]
2000-01 NBA 92.1 (2)
2001-02 NBA 94.9 (2)
2002-03 NBA 94.9 (3)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]Career NBA 95.6 (6)[/COLOR]

Player Impact of Efficiency Per Minute:

Season Player Efficiency Rating

1989-90 NBA 26.3 (5)
1990-91 NBA 27.4 (3)
1991-92 NBA 27.5 (2)
1992-93 NBA 24.2 (6)
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1993-94 NBA 30.7 (1)
1994-95 NBA 29.1 (1)
1995-96 NBA 29.4 (1)[/COLOR]
1997-98 NBA 27.8 (3)
1998-99 NBA 24.9 (3)
1999-00 NBA 24.6 (5)
2000-01 NBA 23.7 (10)
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Career NBA 26.2 (4)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing`s Impact:[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ewingpa01.html

Offense:

Ewing was not as Great Offensive Player as Robinson despite being a better long range shooter:

Wen`t less to line (did not cause as much missmatches), caused less precupation (double teaming) and a lower ORT:

They both shot at very similar FG% though...Ewings shooting was overall Better but...

[COLOR="Blue"]*Do not Count Stats for a Post 1996-97 Ewing that was past his prime[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]*Do not Count Stats for a Post 1995-96 Robinson, not because it was his end of his prime but because he "never played the same again" due to injuries....[/COLOR]

[COLOR="blue"]Ofcourse in the Last Seconds for a Jumper i would give to Ewing do tu Clutch Shooting[/COLOR]

Season Free Throw Attempts

1989-90 NBA 648 (5)
1990-91 NBA 623 (5)
1991-92 NBA 511 (8)
1992-93 NBA 556 (10)
1993-94 NBA 582 (4)
1994-95 NBA 560 (7)
1996-97 NBA 582 (6)
[COLOR="Blue"]Career NBA 7289 (20)[/COLOR]

Season Defensive Rating

1987-88 NBA 101.3 (5)
1989-90 NBA 102.9 (10)
1990-91 NBA 101.5 (6)
1991-92 NBA 98.4 (2)
[COLOR="blue"]1992-93 NBA 94.3 (1)
1993-94 NBA 92.9 (1)[/COLOR]
1994-95 NBA 98.3 (2)
1995-96 NBA 97.9 (5)
1996-97 NBA 95.7 (2)
1998-99 NBA 91.3 (2)
1999-00 NBA 97.0 (9)
[COLOR="blue"]Career NBA 99.1 (29)[/COLOR]
Career 99.1 (29)

Player Per Minute Impact:

Season Player Efficiency Rating

1988-89 NBA 22.1 (8)
[COLOR="Blue"]1989-90 NBA 25.8 (6)[/COLOR]
1990-91 NBA 23.7 (8)
1991-92 NBA 22.8 (9)
1993-94 NBA 22.9 (7)
1994-95 NBA 21.9 (9)
[COLOR="blue"]Career NBA 21.0 (39)[/COLOR]

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Play-Offs:

Player Impact of Efficiency Per Minute

Yearly Playoffs Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

1998 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 31.00
1997 NBA Anfernee Hardaway 29.88
[COLOR="darkslategray"]1996 NBA David Robinson* 29.10 [/COLOR]
1995 NBA Kevin Johnson 27.36
1994 NBA Charles Barkley* 27.85
1993 NBA Michael Jordan* 30.06
1992 NBA Michael Jordan* 27.24
1991 NBA Michael Jordan* 32.04
1990 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.63
1989 NBA Michael Jordan* 29.90
1988 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 38.95
1987 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 28.46
1986 NBA Spud Webb 25.74
1985 NBA Michael Jordan* 24.72
1984 NBA Bernard King 27.60
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 25.72
1982 NBA Julius Erving* 22.46
1981 NBA Marques Johnson 27.65
1980 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 27.91
1979 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 26.54

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

Career Playoffs Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA

Rank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 26.83
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.47
5. Tim Duncan 26.09
6. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
7. Tracy McGrady 24.66
8. Dirk Nowitzki 24.45
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dwyane Wade 23.58
11. Dolph Schayes* 23.25
12. Kevin Garnett 23.19
13. Jerry West* 23.06
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]14. David Robinson* 23.02 [/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Blue"]48. Patrick Ewing* 19.63[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._yearly_p.html

Yearly Playoffs Leaders and Records for Defensive Rating

Year Lg Player DRtg

2009 NBA Dwight Howard 98.35
2008 NBA Tim Duncan 98.51
2007 NBA Tyrus Thomas 92.52
2006 NBA Alonzo Mourning 95.13
2005 NBA Ben Wallace 93.48
2004 NBA Ben Wallace 83.91
2003 NBA Ben Wallace 90.51
2002 NBA Ben Wallace 86.38
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]2001 NBA David Robinson* 92.42
2000 NBA David Robinson* 84.01
1999 NBA David Robinson* 87.33
1998 NBA David Robinson* 93.42 [/COLOR]
1997 NBA Alonzo Mourning 94.64
1996 NBA Scottie Pippen 96.07
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]1995 NBA David Robinson* 97.53 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]1994 NBA Patrick Ewing* 94.34 [/COLOR]
1993 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 96.56
1992 NBA Dennis Rodman 99.35
1991 NBA Scottie Pippen 99.52
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]*Will not Include Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares or Offensive Win Shares...because they all depend "More, Way More" on Who Sorrounds You.

[COLOR="darkred"]*Its clear Ewing had the Better Team Overall till 1997, especially Defensive Wise.[/COLOR]

*[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Robison was quite alone[/COLOR] till Timy Arrived and Sadly for the Spurs he was "Not Even Close to the Same Robinson do to Injury after the 95-96 season"

* A Healthy Robinson with Duncan would have probably have 3 Rings More [/COLOR]

[CB4GOATPF]

Head to Head:

*To be More Fair for BOTH PLAYERS:

Will Only Count the Head to Head Meetings Betwen 1989 to 1995-96

[COLOR="DarkRed"]A Total of 13 (68.4%) of There Total 19 Meetings[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson ages: 24-30[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing ages: 27-33[/COLOR]

because...why?

[COLOR="DarkRed"]*Robinson Never Played the Same Again after the 1995-96 season due to injury as i said before and

*Ewing was pretty much passed his prime after 1996 (he is older too so i can`t count the meetings after that)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson:[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]
TMin: 510
MPG: 39.2 (Played 1 Min More)

TPts: 314
FGs/FGAs: 125/235
FGAs PG: 18.1 (Shot Less)
PPG: 24.2 (Scored More)
FG%: 53.2% (Shot Way Higher %)
FTs/FTAs: 85 /127
FT%: 66.92%
TRBs: 129
RPG: 9.9 (Rebounded Less)
TBlks: 40
BPG: 3.08 (Blocked Same)
TAsts: 41
APG: 3.2 (Passed Better)
TStls: 25
SPG: 1.92 (Stole Better)
TTOV: 48
TOV PG: 3.69 (Turned the Ball Same)
TPFs: 49
PF PG: 3.8 (Commited Less Fouls)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]TMin: 497

MPG: 38.2 (Played a Minute Less)

TPts: 292
FGs/FGAs: 122/289
FGAs PG: 22.2 (Shot More)
PPG: 22.5 (Scored Less)
FG%: 42.2% (Way Less Effective)
FTs/FTAs: 42 / 60
FT%: 70% (Shot Better FT, Well Always Had )
TRBs: 144
RPG: 11.1 (Rebounded Better)
TBlks: 40
BPG: 3.08 (Same)
TAsts: 38
APG: 2.9 (Passed Lesser)
TStls:15
SPG: 1.15 (Stole Less)
TTOV: 3.8
TOV PG: 49 (Turned the Ball Same)
TPFs: 54
PF PG: 4.2 (Fouled More)[/COLOR]

Finally Pure All Around Skills of Efficiency...

http://www.databasebasketball.com/le...?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons
1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 27.20 6
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Shaquille O'neal 27.11 17
15 Jerry West 27.10 14
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]16 David Robinson 26.98 14 [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]37 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17 [/COLOR]

Looks like Ewing took it to himself to Defend well against (Same BPG and Better RPG) Robinson but...

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Its quite Clear that Robinson was just "The Better Player" Overall!

Offensively (especially do to his Aethletic Versatility and Ballhandling): Better 1 on 1 Player, Skilled Off the Dribble Scorer, Could Coast to Coast Constantu, Caused More Missmatch Problems, Better All Around Defensively, Better Game Creating Wise, Better Passing Wise, Could Cause More Double Teaming, Got Fouled More, Superior Floor Defender (Athletic Capacity: Agility, Speed and Wingspam helped), Stealer, Better Leaper, More Agil, Faster, Quicker etc[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing was the Better Far Range Shooter, Skilled Post Player, Fadeaway Shooter, More Clutch Shooter, Tougher Mentally, Stronger Lower Torso, Stronger Arm Strength, More Tempered, More Agressive, Had More Heart [/COLOR] ...but

... [COLOR="DarkRed"]still not enough to be better than Robinson [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]I hate to say the truth but Robinson was just better and this is comming from an Anti-Robinson dude....(he could have been much better if he actually had some balls to take the game personally)[/COLOR]



Greets

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Head to Head:

*To be More Fair for BOTH PLAYERS:

Will Only Count the Head to Head Meetings Betwen 1989 to 1995-96

[COLOR="DarkRed"]A Total of 13 (68.4%) of There Total 19 Meetings[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson ages: 24-30[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing ages: 27-33[/COLOR]

because...why?

[COLOR="DarkRed"]*Robinson Never Played the Same Again after the 1995-96 season due to injury as i said before and

*Ewing was pretty much passed his prime after 1996 (he is older too so i can`t count the meetings after that)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkslategray"]Robinson:[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]
TMin: 510
MPG: 39.2 (Played 1 Min More)

TPts: 314
FGs/FGAs: 125/235
FGAs PG: 18.1 (Shot Less)
PPG: 24.2 (Scored More)
FG%: 53.2% (Shot Way Higher %)
FTs/FTAs: 85 /127
FT%: 66.92%
TRBs: 129
RPG: 9.9 (Rebounded Less)
TBlks: 40
BPG: 3.08 (Blocked Same)
TAsts: 41
APG: 3.2 (Passed Better)
TStls: 25
SPG: 1.92 (Stole Better)
TTOV: 48
TOV PG: 3.69 (Turned the Ball Same)
TPFs: 49
PF PG: 3.8 (Commited Less Fouls)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]TMin: 497

MPG: 38.2 (Played a Minute Less)

TPts: 292
FGs/FGAs: 122/289
FGAs PG: 22.2 (Shot More)
PPG: 22.5 (Scored Less)
FG%: 42.2% (Way Less Effective)
FTs/FTAs: 42 / 60
FT%: 70% (Shot Better FT, Well Always Had )
TRBs: 144
RPG: 11.1 (Rebounded Better)
TBlks: 40
BPG: 3.08 (Same)
TAsts: 38
APG: 2.9 (Passed Lesser)
TStls:15
SPG: 1.15 (Stole Less)
TTOV: 3.8
TOV PG: 49 (Turned the Ball Same)
TPFs: 54
PF PG: 4.2 (Fouled More)[/COLOR]

Finally Pure All Around Skills of Efficiency...

http://www.databasebasketball.com/le...?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons
1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 27.20 6
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Shaquille O'neal 27.11 17
15 Jerry West 27.10 14
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]16 David Robinson 26.98 14 [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]37 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17 [/COLOR]

Looks like Ewing took it to himself to Defend well against (Same BPG and Better RPG) Robinson but...

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Its quite Clear that Robinson was just "The Better Player" Overall!

Offensively (especially do to his Aethletic Versatility and Ballhandling): Better 1 on 1 Player, Skilled Off the Dribble Scorer, Could Coast to Coast Constantu, Caused More Missmatch Problems, Better All Around Defensively, Better Game Creating Wise, Better Passing Wise, Could Cause More Double Teaming, Got Fouled More, Superior Floor Defender (Athletic Capacity: Agility, Speed and Wingspam helped), Stealer, Better Leaper, More Agil, Faster, Quicker etc[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Ewing was the Better Far Range Shooter, Skilled Post Player, Fadeaway Shooter, More Clutch Shooter, Tougher Mentally, Stronger Lower Torso, Stronger Arm Strength, More Tempered, More Agressive, Had More Heart [/COLOR] ...but

... [COLOR="DarkRed"]still not enough to be better than Robinson [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]I hate to say the truth but Robinson was just better and this is comming from an Anti-Robinson dude....(he could have been much better if he actually had some balls to take the game personally)[/COLOR]



Greets

/thread ......

[PMshooter]

Head to Head:

[COLOR="Red"]I hate to say the truth but Robinson was just better and this is comming from an Anti-Robinson dude....(he could have been much better if he actually had some balls to take the game personally)[/COLOR]



Greets

Great post, man! I'm a Ewing guy too. Watched damn near every Knicks game in the early and mid 90s and I loved the guy. Like you said, Ewing was a more versatile scorer, but Robinson was just as efficient. You add in Robinson's superior defense, and he's got to get the edge. Hakeem > both of them.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Yes greats like Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson and Sean Elliot post-kidney operation.

As 3rd, 4th and 5th guys behind Robinson and Duncan(21/12/3 with 2.5 blocks on 55% shooting as a rookie), that's a damn good lineup.

If your going to dismiss Robinson's titles because he had Duncan than you can't tout Ewing's 2 ECF, 1 NBA finals runs. Neither got a title and I think Ewing had the better cast when each was top dog.

I doubt Ewing had better casts. Robinson's casts in 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1995 were as good as anything Ewing had. He had an 18-20 ppg scorer in Elliott who could shoot 3's, but he was also an athletic player who could get to the basket and create his own shots. Avery Johnson was a very efficient point guard who was good 13 ppg in his prime, 8-10 apg and a high FG%(around 50%), but not many turnovers. That's because he was smart and he knew his limitations, but he'd find ways t get to the basket, make plays for his teammates and hit the mid-range jumpers he was left open for. Rodman is probably the greatest rebounder of all time and an elite defender and guys like Vinny Del Negro gave them even more scoring with better than double figure scoring from each. Plus most of the Spurs players played solid defense.

Then Robinson also had Terry Cummings when he was a 22/8 player, Rod Strickland, Sean Elliott and Willie Anderson at the same time.

Those are good casts, it's not like Ewing's cast of Starks, Oakley, Mason and Harper was any better. That was also a good cast, but not anyone's dream team.

[Big#50]

Robinson>Ewing not even close. Give DROB tough defenders like Oakley, Smith, and Mason and he doesn't have to do every damn thing. The Spurs were soft. David would try to get his team involved but they were trash. VDN, Sean, Avery, and add a scrub.

[josh99]

Already made this thread during the summer

Lol, well I didn't see it. What do you expect thought, it's the offseason. Thankfully the pre-season just started...

[godofgods]

Robinson is better. Ewing played for the Knicks so all his accomplishments are automatically overrated.

[G.O.A.T]

As 3rd, 4th and 5th guys behind Robinson and Duncan(21/12/3 with 2.5 blocks on 55% shooting as a rookie), that's a damn good lineup.

I doubt Ewing had better casts. Robinson's casts in 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1995 were as good as anything Ewing had. He had an 18-20 ppg scorer in Elliott who could shoot 3's, but he was also an athletic player who could get to the basket and create his own shots. Avery Johnson was a very efficient point guard who was good 13 ppg in his prime, 8-10 apg and a high FG%(around 50%), but not many turnovers. That's because he was smart and he knew his limitations, but he'd find ways t get to the basket, make plays for his teammates and hit the mid-range jumpers he was left open for. Rodman is probably the greatest rebounder of all time and an elite defender and guys like Vinny Del Negro gave them even more scoring with better than double figure scoring from each. Plus most of the Spurs players played solid defense.

Then Robinson also had Terry Cummings when he was a 22/8 player, Rod Strickland, Sean Elliott and Willie Anderson at the same time.

Those are good casts, it's not like Ewing's cast of Starks, Oakley, Mason and Harper was any better. That was also a good cast, but not anyone's dream team.

You are lying if you try and tell me you believe that horse hockey above. You're much smarter than that.

Most of those guys just aren't that good. Sean Elliott was a solid but never close to great player. As soon as he left SA and didn't have a good big man at his side he wilted. Than when he returned, the numbers perked up again.

Terry Cummings was nice, but they gave up Alvin Robertson to get him. And the idea that Cummings was a 20\9 guy as a Spur is a joke, maybe for like a minute but he was pretty much washed up as a starter when he got there.

And that was like David's rookie year.

Willie Anderson kind of sucked. I'm sure he had okay stats, most starters in their physical prime do. But he was the guy you'd pretend to be in the drive way when your out of control lay-up missed everything.

Avery Johnson was considered a weakness for the Spurs before they won the title. He was not a very good player and if he didn't become so economical as a PG and wasn't such a great leader he'd never have lasted.

Strickland was like 24 when the Spurs traded him. And Ewing had him too, but the Knicks didn't want him either.

Rodman was there for two seasons and mentally unstable.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Most of those guys just aren't that good. Sean Elliott was a solid but never close to great player. As soon as he left SA and didn't have a good big man at his side he wilted. Than when he returned, the numbers perked up again.

If we're going to use that logic then I'll ask you, what did Starks do without Ewing? Elliott wasn't a truly great player, but he was a 2 time all-star.

Terry Cummings was nice, but they gave up Alvin Robertson to get him. And the idea that Cummings was a 20\9 guy as a Spur is a joke, maybe for like a minute but he was pretty much washed up as a starter when he got there.

22/8 in 1990 and 18/8 in 1991, 17/9 in 1992 with San Antonio. He was defintley not washed up by the time he got there.

And that was like David's rookie year.

Which happened to be one of his best years as was his second year(another playoff failure). Those seasons probably rank behind just 1995, 1996 and possibly 1994 as his best seasons. They're part of his prime.

Willie Anderson kind of sucked. I'm sure he had okay stats, most starters in their physical prime do. But he was the guy you'd pretend to be in the drive way when your out of control lay-up missed everything.

Kind of sucked? He was a very solid all around player who could score in a few different ways and considering they had other solid players like Cummings, Elliott and Strickland so Anderson was just another solid player.

Avery Johnson was considered a weakness for the Spurs before they won the title. He was not a very good player and if he didn't become so economical as a PG and wasn't such a great leader he'd never have lasted.

Avery Johnson was far from a weakness. He was smart, a very good passer and he knew his limitations. You don't average 13/10 on 49% shooting if you're a weakness.

Strickland was like 24 when the Spurs traded him. And Ewing had him too, but the Knicks didn't want him either.

Ewing had him when he was a rookie and for half of his sophomore year. He was stuck behind Mark Jackson and he wasn't getting a chance to develop. In San Antonio he was a 14/8 player.

Rodman was there for two seasons and mentally unstable.

But Rodman is still a hall of fame type player.

[G.O.A.T]

You really like to argue huh?

Anyone can look at stats pick a guys best season and say they were that type of player, it doesn't make it so.

Also there is way more to it than stats. David's first two years he may have put up monster numbers but they maybe do not rank in his top five seasons as a pro. He was very talented but hadn't figured out what it took to win yet. The title years and the '95 MVP have to be the top three, the rest are debatable, but probably 1998 when he changed his game to fit in with Timmy coming back from serious injury and probably his rookie year because of the impact he had on the league.

But if you watched those teams, you'd know it was Robinson and scrub central the first two seasons. Some talented young guys as it turned out, but none showing much of anything at that point.

I didn't think Cummings put up that good of numbers, but that's stilla significant frop off from the 22\9 player you described him as. He was a shell of his San Diego and Milwaukee self.

And I stand by my story on Willie Anderson, he sucked. Look at how step his decline was after that rookie year. (Sucked by NBA starter standards)

[ShaqAttack3234]

Also there is way more to it than stats. David's first two years he may have put up monster numbers but they maybe do not rank in his top five seasons as a pro. He was very talented but hadn't figured out what it took to win yet. The title years and the '95 MVP have to be the top three, the rest are debatable, but probably 1998 when he changed his game to fit in with Timmy coming back from serious injury and probably his rookie year because of the impact he had on the league.

Well there's no way that David's second title('03) should be anywhere near his top 5 seasons. He wasn't even getting full starter minutes at that point.

But if you watched those teams, you'd know it was Robinson and scrub central the first two seasons. Some talented young guys as it turned out, but none showing much of anything at that point.

The only time it was Robinson and scrub central was '94, maybe '93.

I did watch the Spurs back then, and Elliott, Avery Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Vinny Del Negro and Chuck Person were far from scrubs and I stand by that. That's a solid supporting cast. No worse than Ewing's in the mid 90's.

I didn't think Cummings put up that good of numbers, but that's stilla significant frop off from the 22\9 player you described him as. He was a shell of his San Diego and Milwaukee self.

I don't think I described him as 22/9 I think I said 22/8 which he was over in in 1990. He was in the 8-9 rebound range the following 2 years as his scoring dropped to 17-18 per game, but other players scored more to pick up the slack.

And I stand by my story on Willie Anderson, he sucked. Look at how step his decline was after that rookie year. (Sucked by NBA starter standards)

Well, I remember Willie Anderson being a solid player in the early 90's.

[1987_Lakers]

David Robinson. He has better MVP fininshes, an actual MVP, a DPOY, better statistics, and has rings (although as second option). I think both players are comparable offensivley, but D-Rob separates himself defensively. But I will say D-Rob could only dream of having Ewing's drive.