In their primes, how much better was Kobe than Wade?

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Hey D’oh


Kobe was clearly in his prime before 2006

[Smoke117]

lol He wasn't better. 2009 Wade is the closest any guard has ever come to Jordan. For all his bullshit all defensive nods, he was never close to Wade's level defensively in 09 while also putting up 30ppg. Wade was also a far superior playmaker in general.

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Peak for peak it's about a wash I'd say. Kobe's prime was better for the simple fact that it was longer.

In that case LeBron is the GOAT. Easily 10 thick years of prime

[FromDowntown]

In that case LeBron is the GOAT. Easily 10 thick years of prime

LeBron's prime is as thick as can be, no denying the girth of this prime.

Girthiest prime, without question: LeBron Raymone

[ImKobe]

Prime Wade (2005-2009) was better than any version of Kobe for sure.

Obviously Wade fell off a cliff after the 09 season. he's one of those guys like Dwight who had a very very short window of elite play

05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.

lol He wasn't better. 2009 Wade is the closest any guard has ever come to Jordan. For all his bullshit all defensive nods, he was never close to Wade's level defensively in 09 while also putting up 30ppg. Wade was also a far superior playmaker in general.

Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

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Hey D’oh


Kobe was clearly in his prime before 2006

That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.

05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.



Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

And their numbers in the playoffs?

I think you're selling Wade's efficiency in the postseason...and defense overall...short. Wade was arguably better in the playoffs BUT definitely greater FINALS performer - that isn't debatable.

RAPM also has Wade's defense a bit above Kobe's. Just throwing that out there.

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That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.



And their numbers in the playoffs?

I think you're selling Wade's efficiency in the postseason...and defense overall...short. Wade was arguably better in the playoffs BUT definitely greater FINALS performer - that isn't debatable.

RAPM also has Wade's defense a bit above Kobe's. Just throwing that out there.

You’re talking to someone who thinks it’s reasonable to list Kobe 2nd on the GOAT list while simultaneously ranking LeBron 10th.

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05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.



Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

lol are you joking? Kobe barely played any defense at all in 06 when he was putting up his career high in ppg. Are you really this daft that you actually believe he was an all defensive player in 06? Well, yes, you are a stan, so yeah. You should probably learn basketball before you post again if you think Kobe was anything close to an all defensive player in 06. All advanced stats show him as a negative and you don't even need those...anyone who actually watched the lakers in 06 knows he was worthless on the defensive end that season while the coaches gave him nod for doing absolutely nothing.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You’re talking to someone who thinks it’s reasonable to list Kobe 2nd on the GOAT list while simultaneously ranking LeBron 10th.

Been watching game tape of Wade lately (the NBA just released a dope career mixtape of his). His prime, while shorter than Kobe's, was fukking ridiculous. Especially the years he wasn't playing thru an injury. You kind of forget how explosive he was...and how entertaining he could be.

If you've seen some of 80s Jordan? That is Wade in the modern era. I think Dwyane had better handles though.

[warriorfan]

Wade at age 30 and 31 needed LeBron James to win back to back titles

Kobe at age 30 and 31 needed Pau Gasol to win back to back titles

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03 Heat - [COLOR="Red"]25 wins, lottery[/COLOR]

04 Rookie Wade w Odom/Butler - [COLOR="Green"]42 wins, semis[/COLOR]

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03 Shaq - [COLOR="Green"]56 wins, Finals[/COLOR]

04 Prime Kobe w Odom/Butler - [COLOR="Red"] 34 wins, lottery[/COLOR]

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03 Heat - [COLOR="Red"]25 wins, lottery[/COLOR]

04 Rookie Wade w Odom/Butler - [COLOR="Green"]42 wins, semis[/COLOR]

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03 Shaq - [COLOR="Green"]56 wins, Finals[/COLOR]

04 Prime Kobe w Odom/Butler - [COLOR="Red"] 34 wins, lottery[/COLOR]

They also were BETTER in the 16 games Kobe missed in 05

[Manny98]

06 Wade was better than Kobe ever was