Andre Iguodala: Kobe is 2nd GOAT behind MJ

[CLTHornets4eva]

A) both kobe and jordan for the first half of their careers were drive then shoot guys. and the later years shoot first drive second.

B) kobe in his prime is a top 10 dunker of all time and even in his 16th season was doing windmills in exibitions not too long ago

C) kobe for most of his career was a legit stopper and currently holds the record with jordan for all defensive 1st teams. sure the last few were off rep. but no more than a few years ago in the olympics he was being used as a main stopper for the other teams best players

D) kobe and jordan have equally great post moves

E) jordan is not a better passer. pippen played pg for the bulls all those years and was bringing the ball up the court. kobe on the other hand had to do that job and score while fishers 1 dimensional a** just sat in the corner for kick outs

F) he averaged more points. but thats never been a thing that judges greatness. more often than not a winner will be a team player. kobe was a winner more often in his career so he didnt have half a decade to pad his scoring average on a bad team like mj... plus the whole having to share with shaq thing and coming out of highschool. career points have never meant much. its why most of the top 10 ppg leaders are not in the top 10 all time player rankings

G) the fg% thing is what i originally pointed to... if kobe didnt go god mode and heat check so much while also shooting 3-4 times as many threes in his career... his fg% would be equal to that of jordans..

kobes never been a stat padder or stat protector...

he shoots the ball full court at the end of courters.. he is the bail out man at the end of shot clocks from 5 feet behind the 3point line

no way jordan would have been put in that position since he rarely shot threes.. it was natural for bail out distance threes to be taken by someone else


but this is all comon sense stuff that i'm sure you already knew but just wanted me to waste my time repeating for probably the 1000th time over the last 10 years of posting on message boards

thankyou goodnight... do it again soon with some other clown

Well in every instance they weren't EVEN. Jordan was better in every circumstance.

And don't act so self righteous. If you have been argueing this for 10 years, you homerism truely is egregious. Clown.

[Lebron23]

Borderline top 10.

[kennethgriffin]

Well in every instance they weren't EVEN. Jordan was better in every circumstance.

And don't act so self righteous. If you have been argueing this for 10 years, you homerism truely is egregious. Clown.

so lebron james, elgin baylor and wilt chamberlain etc are better than MJ then

better career stats

lol even you know what makes MJ better than them and even russell who has more rings and kareem whos career is more accomplished is 1 thing

comon sense

people saw mj play and he had all those tricks and the killer instinct and work ethic packaged in a guy who seemingly always finds a way to win

well thats kobe... suck a meat.

[CLTHornets4eva]

comon sense


well thats kobe... suck a meat.

Its apparent you don't have "common sense".

[kennethgriffin]

Its apparent you don't have "common sense".

apparently kobe fans are the ones who are right

since we share the same opinion as most current stars, coaches, former players, legends and others in and around the nba

sorry man.

look at the thread title

many others like it with even bigger names sayin the same things i'm sayin

show me a high profile nba person in any area that says stuff like

"PER! KOBE LOL 11-15 all time at best! he might crack my top 10 if he wins 6... hes a chucker!"

ever wonder who the crazy person is? its the odd man out

one of these things is not like the other <----

get it?

yea

[CLTHornets4eva]

show me a high profile nba person in any area that says stuff like

"PER! KOBE LOL 11-15 all time at best! he might crack my top 10 if he wins 6... hes a chucker!"

Easy. Bill Simmons.

15. Kobe Bryant

14. Elgin Baylor

13. John Havlicek


12. Moses Malone

11. Shaquille O

[ThatsGame]

Shaq deserves to be ahead of Kobe, because he's the one that carried him to his first few rings.

He literally carried Kobe.

Without Shaq, Kobe would not have won, period.

Same thing with Pau really.

You can't be a GOAT like MJ if you have played side kick for most of your rings

[LakersReign]

Shaq deserves to be ahead of Kobe, because he's the one that carried him to his first few rings.

He literally carried Kobe.

Without Shaq, Kobe would not have won, period.

Same thing with Pau really.

You can't be a GOAT like MJ if you have played side kick for most of your rings

Just like Wade will "carry" Lebron to a title if and when the Heat do win one....right?! You do realize that applies to Lebron playing on WADE'S TEAM......right?! I'd really stop saying that if I were you

[AngelEyes]

Shaq deserves to be ahead of Kobe, because he's the one that carried him to his first few rings.

He literally carried Kobe.

Without Shaq, Kobe would not have won, period.

Same thing with Pau really.

You can't be a GOAT like MJ if you have played side kick for most of your rings

I guess you're right...

[CLTHornets4eva]

I guess you're right...

Haha. I'm not trying to sh*t on Kobe, but saying #2 repeatedly without any ability to look at the past, or regard for differing playing styles, positions and different eras, is completely ignorant. To blindly cheer your favorite player as the #2 GOAT just because some players want to stroke Kobe's ego is straight stupid.

[kennethgriffin]

Easy. Bill Simmons.

15. Kobe Bryant

14. Elgin Baylor

13. John Havlicek


12. Moses Malone

11. Shaquille O’Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

9. Oscar Robertson

8. Jerry West

7. Tim Duncan

6. Wilt Chamberlain

5. Larry Bird

4. Magic Johnson

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

2. Bill Russell

1. Michael Jordan

bill simmons was never a player, coach, gm, or owner

hes a writer with an agenda for a hype machine

hes basically a message board poster who gets paid to troll

not only that. he was litterally quoted saying he hates kobe and thinks "he was that kid who nobody likes and looks awkward at partys and gets impressed if anyone accepts him as a human being"


LOL

try again

and btw... your top 15 list is probably the worst ive ever seen. and thats impressive all in itself since i see re*tards every day on here and other boards

[CLTHornets4eva]

bill simmons was never a player, coach, gm, or owner

hes a writer with an agenda for a hype machine

hes basically a message board poster who gets paid to troll

not only that. he was litterally quoted saying he hates kobe and thinks "he was that kid who nobody likes and looks awkward at partys and gets impressed if anyone accepts him as a human being"


LOL

try again

and btw... your top 15 list is probably the worst ive ever seen. and thats impressive all in itself since i see re*tards every day on here and other boards

Well that was his top 15 not mine.

Also players and GM's usually don't make stupid projections like "who the number 2 player ever is". I will take an NBA expert like Bill Simmons over you, Kenneth.

[kennethgriffin]

Well that was his top 15 not mine.

Also players and GM's usually don't make stupid projections like "who the number 2 player ever is". I will take an NBA expert like Bill Simmons over you, Kenneth.

its bill freakin simmons ( the admited ---he actually did-- kobe hater )


hey... why dont you bust out some bruce blitz quotes while your at it


man... like i said before... you and your kind are pathetic for 1 reason that i will keep bringing up time and time and time again


NO ONE IMPORTANT AGREES WITH YOU... EVERYONE IMPORTANT AGREES WITH ME


no one... and i repeat ... NO ONE with a valid opinion ( I.E. a representative of BASKETBALL ) agrees with you or bill simmons

only fans carry a unique grudge of hate and spite that comes with getting beat down by the man himself


kobe has made you get on your hands and knees and pray against him

i know so. ive seen it with my own 2 eyes.. ive actually seen kobe haters do this

they pray to god whenever kobes in a position to win. they say "please god... no... dont let kobe win another ring."

but it never works. you know why? because god plays for the lakers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA

[StateProperty]

I'm sure Iggy saw a ton of Jordan growing up in Illinois. Iggy and Kobe share a strong respect for each other. Phil Jackson said that he's never seen anyone guard Kobe as well as Dre.

[CLTHornets4eva]

All time PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.10
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.61
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Chris Paul 25.24
9. Tim Duncan 24.77
10. Neil Johnston* 24.63
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Magic Johnson* 24.11
14. Karl Malone* 23.90
15. Dirk Nowitzki 23.64
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Kobe Bryant 23.58

Maybe you don't believe in PER Kenneth.

You have such a keen eye for basketball you should right articles for ESPN.