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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards.
    The fact that he finished 5th doesn't advance your argument. If anything, it makes it worse. He only got 15 first place votes out of 125. He had more 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes. He had fewer 1st place votes than guys whose teams won 54, 50, and 47 games. Best player on the best team could only manage 5th place and it was about where he was expected to finish because he was never anything remotely close to a superstar level talent.

    Tony Parker is better than Billups was, but not enough so to make a case higher than 4th place in voting.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Parker wasnt even considered a top 10 MVP contender during any time of the season.... not until when Duncan got injured, yes Duncan was injured for a couple of games, but before that it was Duncan who was the MVP favorite of that team (was a top 10 MVP contender alot) and even played like the DPOY favorite remember? Lebron never had that problem, he was the MVP of his team every single game and the best defensive player of his team and was a top 2-3 MVP contender the whole season...... he just has to do MUCH more than Parker on both ends of the floor for his team to be that successful .... he is more VALUABLE....

    At this moment Parker is where he deserves to be, TOP 3 mvp contender (behind Durant and way behind Lebron) but thats as far it goes and should go.... then i assume Duncan will maybe regain that honor he had before he got injured and erase Parkers MVP case like he has done most of the season...
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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

    Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

    Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

    Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

    Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs without Parker. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

    Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron if he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season.
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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    It's baffling how retarded OP is. He's 3rd right now behind Lebron and Durant. People see someone play well once on national tv and proclaim them MVP.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by Graviton
    This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

    Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

    Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

    Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

    Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

    Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron is he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season.
    Great post.

    2011 was a weak year for mvp where as 2013 is a strong year. And still 2011 rose > current parker.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Anyone who thinks that Parker is MVP over Lebron is either:

    1. A Lebron hater
    2. A low bball IQ fan
    3. A spurs fan
    4. A threatened Kobe dick rider.
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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.
    Because voters hated Lebron because of the decision. The hate is over and Lebron's 2013 season is even far superior than the 2011 season.

    Lebron will win his 4th MVP. It's okay. Accept it and move on. No one is within miles of Lebron.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by thefatmiral
    lebron stats are better, but parker is playing below the rim, and isn't the strongest, fastest and most athletically gifted player ever, considering what tony does with his attributes he should be ranked above lebron, skill wise.
    that may be true but he is probably one of the quickest nba players

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by secund2nun
    Because voters hated Lebron because of the decision. The hate is over and Lebron's 2013 season is even far superior than the 2011 season.

    Lebron will win his 4th MVP. It's okay. Accept it and move on. No one is within miles of Lebron.
    That doesn't explain why they chose Rose over every other player not named Lebron.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by greymatter
    The fact that he finished 5th doesn't advance your argument. If anything, it makes it worse. He only got 15 first place votes out of 125. He had more 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes. He had fewer 1st place votes than guys whose teams won 54, 50, and 47 games. Best player on the best team could only manage 5th place and it was about where he was expected to finish because he was never anything remotely close to a superstar level talent.

    Tony Parker is better than Billups was, but not enough so to make a case higher than 4th place in voting.
    The man got multiple 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes. He was clearly in the MVP conversation. It was only his team record that pushed him in there. His stats alone don't merit any votes.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    That doesn't explain why they chose Rose over every other player not named Lebron.
    1. Lebron hatred was at an all time high. They did not want to give him the MVP so they gave it to Rose. Today not that many people hate Lebron so they have no problem giving it to him.

    2. Lebron's 2013 season is insane.

    3. The media lied and pretended that Rose carried Chicago (which is BS). This BS fueled combined with the Lebron hate fueled him to win the MVP. The Spurs are Tim Duncan's team, not Parkers. Duncan is the best player on that team.

    Lebron is a lock for the MVP.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    The man got multiple 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes. He was clearly in the MVP conversation. It was only his team record that pushed him in there. His stats alone don't merit any votes.
    Apparently you have no clue that Tony Parker isn't remotely what anyone would call a superstar level talent and that fact alone is what will and should prevent him from being a favorite to win MVP. Just being in the conversation means jack shit. The thread title specifically says "a favorite", which TP has absolutely no case for over the likes of KD and LBJ. Technically Elton Brand was "in the conversation" by virtue of having a vote in 2006.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Its just team basketball man, deep & balanced team, there was 3 guys playing better than him tonight... 4 guys with almost 20 points, 6 guys in double figures.... Tim Duncan with his return is already starting to regain his title as the best player on that team aswell

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by greymatter
    Apparently you have no clue that Tony Parker isn't remotely what anyone would call a superstar level talent and that fact alone is what will and should prevent him from being a favorite to win MVP. Just being in the conversation means jack shit. The thread title specifically says "a favorite", which TP has absolutely no case for over the likes of KD and LBJ. Technically Elton Brand was "in the conversation" by virtue of having a vote in 2006.
    I wasn't responding to the thread title I was responding to your post. Your exact words.

    " he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation"

    He's clearly in the conversation and his "case" is centered around his team record. Sorry if that upsets you.

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    Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

    Parker has no chance in hell to even be considered above lebron for MVP. Got this from another board not including games from 2/23, comparing Lebron to Parker

    Pro Parker post

    I think Parker deserves it more. Manu and Duncan have missed a lot of games, and Parker has clearly been the best player on the best team in the league. It's about time he's rewarded for that. People also seem to ignore just how great Wade and Bosh have been this season.
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    I personally dislike the "best player on the best team argument" as it doesn't accurately reflect a player's value to his team. You're kidding yourself if you think the Spurs without Parker are worse than the Heat without Lebron. I'll post it again:

    Lebron On-Off:
    11.2 ORtg On Court
    -6.8 ORtg Off Court
    18.0 ORtg Net On-Off

    Parker On-Off:
    11.1 ORtg On Court
    5.0 ORtg Off Court
    6.1 ORtg Net On-Off

    Truth is, Coach Pop has an amazing ability to make the most out of his players as well as designing an efficient offensive system. Also, Tim Duncan is having a resurgent year that we should not overlook when considering the Spurs' success. Parker is fighting Chris Paul for the best PG in the league, but to say that he's more instrumental to the Spurs' success than Lebron is to the Heat's is absurd. If Lebron finishes the year at the rate he's been producing since recovering from his ankle injury 18 games ago, this is arguably a top 3 peak year of any player in NBA history.

    Lebron has this on lock

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