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Local High School Star
Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by kshutts1
Kobesfinger has great shooting. Paul, Carter, George are all 3p threats. KG is a threat from 20 feet and in. Manu off the bench. Iggy and Diaw shot around 40%, albeit on low volume. I think you're seriously underestimating their shooting.
Yeah they are a nice shooting team with good shooting depth. No stand out specialist like a RayRay, Miller, Petrovic or my boy Schmidt but very solid by committee.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by barkleynash
Yeah they are a nice shooting team with good shooting depth. No stand out specialist like a RayRay, Miller, Petrovic or my boy Schmidt but very solid by committee.
No specialists as defined by us. But Carter was 41% with two makes per game. That's pretty darn elite.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by KobesFinger
I was just watching the USA vs USSR game at the 1988 Olympics. Sabonis looked sluggish against David Robinson, who is the same type of player KG is: quick, long and agile who plays face-up rather than back to basket. He lost out on some rebounds due to either being outjumped or Robinson coming in out of nowhere and getting there first. He also got a hookshot stuffed in the first few minutes.
And I can live with Pettit shooting jumpers over Wallace. Wallace has the quickness and smarts to leave a bit of distance between himself and Pettit, just enough to be able to contest a jumper and be able to provide some help D on a drive.
Keep in mind that was post injury Sabonis, there's a reason he looked sluggish as he was sans Achilles tendon at this point Remember I have the healthy version
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by kshutts1
No specialists as defined by us. But Carter was 41% with two makes per game. That's pretty darn elite.
that is very nice I may have to move VC up my draft boards in future drafts
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Laker Gang #COYG
Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by barkleynash
Keep in mind that was post injury Sabonis, there's a reason he looked sluggish as he was sans Achilles tendon at this point Remember I have the healthy version
I can't find anything other than minute long highlights of him pre injury so I have nothing to go by. Was he still 280ish before the injury or did the injury cause him to gain weight?
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Local High School Star
Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by KobesFinger
I can't find anything other than minute long highlights of him pre injury so I have nothing to go by. Was he still 280ish before the injury or did the injury cause him to gain weight?
He was def a little lighter but still pretty thick. Nothing like the poor broken down sloth we saw in his Portland days. Still wondering how many championships the Blazers would have if he went over right away...
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Very good NBA starter
Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
My opinion on the first matchup differs abit from the consensus, I actually like Millbuck's team more. Young Sheed was more athletic but not nearly the defender Pistons Sheed was, and Dirk is too skilled for him. Also think the backcourt of Coldsoul is too small to contain Penny/Kobe. Wilt will still get his but Pat will make him work a little (50ppg Wilt would have a much bigger edge in this matchup, but oh well). I could see Baylor dominating a little, but still don't like the pairing with Wilt who takes away the paint for Baylor to work with.
Shame neither GM has come up with an argument tho.
Leaning BNash on the other matchup. I think it's close, but the leadership of Magic and how big he comes up under the bright lights will come through for BNash. Interested to hear from BNash tho, who will he put on KG?
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by wally_world
My opinion on the first matchup differs abit from the consensus, I actually like Millbuck's team more. Young Sheed was more athletic but not nearly the defender Pistons Sheed was, and Dirk is too skilled for him. Also think the backcourt of Coldsoul is too small to contain Penny/Kobe. Wilt will still get his but Pat will make him work a little (50ppg Wilt would have a much bigger edge in this matchup, but oh well). I could see Baylor dominating a little, but still don't like the pairing with Wilt who takes away the paint for Baylor to work with.
Shame neither GM has come up with an argument tho.
Leaning BNash on the other matchup. I think it's close, but the leadership of Magic and how big he comes up under the bright lights will come through for BNash. Interested to hear from BNash tho, who will he put on KG?
Prime KG has a sh*t ton of energy and I feel having fresh bodies to match his intensity is key, so whenever McDyess gets in the game he'll have that assignment. At least 20 of Dice's 24 min will be spent guarding KG. The remainder will be a 75/25 split between Pettit and Sabonis. I prefer to keep Sabonis mostly on Wallace as that way we can keep our best rim protector closer to the hoop. Some of KG's energy will get drained from pushing on the larger and stronger Sabonis in the post. That's a tough assignment for anyone but it compounds when you are giving up size and weight as the game /series progresses. I could see KG holding his own at the beginning of games but slowly being worn down which would be more and more evident in the later goings.
Bottom line is Magic and Dr J as the 2 best players in this series just won't allow us to lose to a team we're supposed to beat. Other than Manu I don't see a lot of clutch playoff performers on Kobe's team. When the chips fall at the end of the game I trust our studs to make the big plays.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by kshutts1
Kobesfinger has great shooting. Paul, Carter, George are all 3p threats. KG is a threat from 20 feet and in. Manu off the bench. Iggy and Diaw shot around 40%, albeit on low volume. I think you're seriously underestimating their shooting.
Possibly, but remember the guys listed are not specialists.
Paul and Carter and George are scorers, they need to get in rhythm to hit three pointers. If they're the number one option on offense, getting 15 to 20 shots a game, then their range will stretch out to 3 point land.
Ginobili is the only clutch scorer, and is likely to hit the big-time three, (see last night) even though his percentage is lower than the others.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
My final votes are ColdSoul and Barkley.
ColdSoul is talented, I believe in Elgin and Wilt, but mostly I don't believe in a minutes/shots/ball allocation for MilBuck.
As for Barkley, just the sheer size difference.. plus, at the end of the day, Magic , Doc, Pettit are, by all accounts, better than or on par with Kobe's best player... KG. That's not even taking into account Sabonis. But Barkley's team is not only more talented, but it's talent that fits together mostly well. I still don't think they have shooting, but they have enough in this matchup.
It's close, and it really hurts to pick against Kobe, cuz I love that team. But I just think the size is going to be too much.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually leaning towards Kobe's team(not final yet, I've changed my mind a couple times) but who does he have to guard Chris Paul???? Who does he even think about putting on him? This is pre knee surgery Chris Paul who played the pg position as well as anyone ever has(and I hate Chris Paul)
I want to make something clear, Vince couldn't guard magic. That's not what I meant to imply earlier. I saw magic score basically at will on pfs from the post. And contrary to popular opinion, there were tons of big moments where magic really did decide to score to win(rather than setting up teammates) and he could do both. It doesn't have to be either or. So I think there is a lot of trouble on both sides defensively from the jump. That being said the question then becomes who has the better help defenders and/or who can avoid getting beat quite as bad. The help defenders part goes to Kobe's team pretty easily with kg and Ben. I think bens d is overrated but I have a hard time believing that even pre injury sabonis was athletic enough to make up for the athleticism difference between kg and Pettit.
That does bring up a question I have though. In the draft I said I hated the Ben pick with Dwight on the board for specifically this reason. If you don't think Ben can guard Saba, what center do you think he can guard? Shaq, wilt, dream, Robinson, Ewing, Walton etc all present the same problems Saba does. If you are conceding that he can't guard big centers(and I agree, that pick makes no sense) and he presents the one huge weakness that makes me want to take Barkley in this matchup. You have someone he doesn't have to guard. He doesn't have anyone you don't have to guard. That's a huge advantage
And during the course of this post I've talked myself back into barkleys team. Like I said my vote on this one isn't final because every time I look at it I change my mind. I'm just putting my 2 cents on the matchup in.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Just hoping Milbuck will eventually sign on and answer just one question for me. How will they guard Elgin, this is the key point I need answered before I cast my vote.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Originally Posted by raiderfan19
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually leaning towards Kobe's team(not final yet, I've changed my mind a couple times) but who does he have to guard Chris Paul???? Who does he even think about putting on him? This is pre knee surgery Chris Paul who played the pg position as well as anyone ever has(and I hate Chris Paul)
I want to make something clear, Vince couldn't guard magic. That's not what I meant to imply earlier. I saw magic score basically at will on pfs from the post. And contrary to popular opinion, there were tons of big moments where magic really did decide to score to win(rather than setting up teammates) and he could do both. It doesn't have to be either or. So I think there is a lot of trouble on both sides defensively from the jump. That being said the question then becomes who has the better help defenders and/or who can avoid getting beat quite as bad. The help defenders part goes to Kobe's team pretty easily with kg and Ben. I think bens d is overrated but I have a hard time believing that even pre injury sabonis was athletic enough to make up for the athleticism difference between kg and Pettit.
That does bring up a question I have though. In the draft I said I hated the Ben pick with Dwight on the board for specifically this reason. If you don't think Ben can guard Saba, what center do you think he can guard? Shaq, wilt, dream, Robinson, Ewing, Walton etc all present the same problems Saba does. If you are conceding that he can't guard big centers(and I agree, that pick makes no sense) and he presents the one huge weakness that makes me want to take Barkley in this matchup. You have someone he doesn't have to guard. He doesn't have anyone you don't have to guard. That's a huge advantage
And during the course of this post I've talked myself back into barkleys team. Like I said my vote on this one isn't final because every time I look at it I change my mind. I'm just putting my 2 cents on the matchup in.
Ben is undersized but is still very strong. Its not a case of the Shaqs and Wilts simply mowing him down. And I think he could guard the 7' Cs, its more a case of Shaq being 50lbs heavier. Opposing Cs will still have to be mindful of the fact he's there because he's a force on the offensive glass.
So BNash has said he'll have McDyess on Garnett, but when he's not in the game who will guard him? And who will guard CP3 as you pointed out?
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
I said in a previous post that I'd have Pettit on KG 75% of the left over time and Sabonis for the rest. So basically Dice for 20, Pettit for 15 and Sabas for 5 assuming you are gonna let KG log really heavy minutes.
Kawhi will be in charge of chasing around Cp3. He's done great work guarding Curry in the playoffs which is a damn tough assignment and I expect he'll make Paul work too. Magic will sag off of George or who ever the weakest wing that gets subbed in. Magic will get scored on but remember one of them has to guard magic too and they will have to take back more then they give from either hoops or creating for one of our many offensive options.
Last day of voting peeps before we go to the next round
Last edited by barkleynash; 10-31-2014 at 01:07 AM.
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Re: All Time Draft Round 1 Western Conference 6vs11 and 3vs14
Just to let everyone know, no need to vote for yourself as that is implied the moment you post an argument for your team. However if one GM makes an argument and the other doesn't post anything then that will be used as a tie break (before the higher seed home court game 7 tie break)
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