LeBron vs Pippen

[dh144498]

Maybe he should have been looking at the basket, he only shot .438

[Magic 32]

He was destroying Butler, overpowering him in the post or blowing by him... just like anybody who ever stood in his way.... but like i said, its only team defense (5 guys) that can contain Lebron... each time for example Lebron had an iso against Butler notice Noah/Boozer/Gibson in the paint or right behind zoning ready to trap Lebron or draw a charge or immediately sending help.... thats the ONLY thing Lebron looks at when he gets the ball offensively, how the TEAM defense will play him...

[pauk]

Maybe he should have been looking at the basket, he only shot .438

He should only win the game... thats the better choice...

[Haks]

He was destroying Butler, overpowering him in the post or blowing by him... just like anybody who ever stood in his way.... but like i said, its only team defense (5 guys) that can contain Lebron... each time for example Lebron had an iso against Butler notice Noah/Boozer/Gibson in the paint or right behind zoning ready to trap Lebron or draw a charge or immediately sending help.... thats the ONLY thing Lebron looks at when he gets the ball offensively, how the TEAM defense will play him...

LMAO 'destroyed Butler'

[Poetry]

Most of the all-time greats require more than just single coverage, but as long as you have a good base defender on them (with the team supporting him), those all-time greats can be managed to a degree.

I don't think anyone can say LeBron "was destroying Butler, overpowering him." It's a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, LeBron found the best way to utilize his teammates to get the victory, but he wasn't exactly dominating.

"Destroying" and "Overpowering" are not words we think of when one has a personally subpar offensive series.

However, i do think he was the most important player in the series, but you would have to be deluded to think he dominated Butler. Butler played him well.

[hitmanyr2k]

I love Scottie, but I don't see him being able to stop Lebron. No single player is gonna stop him or even slow him down. It's always team defense that's gonna slow him. Lebron stopped paying attention to his main defender years ago. It's always the 4 other defenders that are ready and willing to leave their man to come over and double or triple team him once he gets past his primary defender. I guess haters will say otherwise. I'm just being honest and unbiased.

What NBA star doesn't have to deal with team defense? The thing about Lebron is aside from passing to a 3 point shooter he doesn't have creativity in his game to beat great team defense...especially if that jumper isn't falling. When the Bulls elected to stop doubling and let Jimmy Butler take him one on one he clearly had trouble scoring on Butler unless they screened him to death. And for the weight advantage Lebron had on Butler he still couldn't score on him in the post because Lebron really has no moves on the low block other than a fadeaway. And just about every time Butler crowded Lebron and forced him to go left it resulted in a bad miss.

[Solefade]

I don't think there's anyone that can stop LeBron 1v1, you can only slow him down at best. We've never seen any sort of athlete that big, with that kind of speed and skills.

[The Real JW]

Artest and Butler can do it, so can Pippen.

[Solefade]

What NBA star doesn't have to deal with team defense? The thing about Lebron is aside from passing to a 3 point shooter he doesn't have creativity in his game to beat great team defense...especially if that jumper isn't falling. When the Bulls elected to stop doubling and let Jimmy Butler take him one on one he clearly had trouble scoring on Butler unless they screened him to death. And for the weight advantage Lebron had on Butler he still couldn't score on him in the post because Lebron really has no moves on the low block other than a fadeaway. And just about every time Butler crowded Lebron and forced him to go left it resulted in a bad miss.

It doesn't really matter if he doesn't have creative moves in the post or not because he's so much stronger than everyone else anyway. If a big guy guards him, he'll go by him or get a good open jump shot. LeBron will either get a 1v1 in the post or someone will get open from it. Pick your poison.

[chosen_wun]

Artest and Butler can do it, so can Pippen.

Pretty much.

The only thing is that LeBron will always get his 8 boards, 8 assists no matter what.

[pauk]

LMAO 'destroyed Butler'

Did you even watch the series? There is absolutely nothing Lebron couldnt do against him.... nothing at all... he either posted him up and backed him down all the way towards the rim which forced the Bulls to constantly trap/double team him forcing the ball out of his hands right into wideopen shooters all night long or he faced up and blew by/overpowered him on the drive which forced Butler to foul often... the stuff he couldnt do against him is only because of those other guys BEHIND him...

Lebron or Durant or Carmelo or Kobe or Wade or Rose or Westbrook or whatever NEVER care about the guy infront.... defenders have absolutely zero chance of stopping them from getting to the rim..... they get the ball and look BEHIND that guy to see the incoming double/triple team or trap, only those 4 other guys decide ... in that situation they either settle for a jumpshot or a move the ball or in Lebrons case attack anyways to intentionally bait the trap/help to kickout to a wideopen shooter....

[pauk]

Artest and Butler can do it, so can Pippen.

When has Artest EVER had his way against Lebron? This is what you see every single time those two play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycapVJIFJSI
Ron Artest especially today is treated like a ragdoll by Lebron....

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron is at the level where you can't necessarily guard him anymore. You may contain him one night, but he's too good to be able to expect anyone to do that consistently. And if Pippen actually did say that, he has a valid point, and it shows that it's not necessarily the best defender who stands the best chance, it comes down to match ups make the fight, and Lebron being so much stronger and heavier could be a factor.

[97 bulls]

Did you even watch the series? There is absolutely nothing Lebron couldnt do against him.... nothing at all... he either posted him up and backed him down all the way towards the rim which forced the Bulls to constantly trap/double team him forcing the ball out of his hands right into wideopen shooters all night long or he faced up and blew by/overpowered him on the drive which forced Butler to foul often...

Lebron or Durant or Carmelo or Kobe or Wade or Rose or Westbrook or whatever NEVER care about the guy infront.... defenders have absolutely zero chance of stopping them from getting to the rim..... they get the ball and look BEHIND that guy to see the incoming double/triple team or trap... in that situation they either settle for a jumpshot or a move the ball or in Lebrons case attack anyways to intentionally bait the trap/help to kickout to a wideopen shooter....

I find it very interesting that you call LeBron s subpar performance against the Bulls as a team effort (which is true to a degree) but then give James full credit for Derrick Rose performance in 2011. Even though that was a team effort.

[Mr Exlax]

What NBA star doesn't have to deal with team defense? The thing about Lebron is aside from passing to a 3 point shooter he doesn't have creativity in his game to beat great team defense...especially if that jumper isn't falling. When the Bulls elected to stop doubling and let Jimmy Butler take him one on one he clearly had trouble scoring on Butler unless they screened him to death. And for the weight advantage Lebron had on Butler he still couldn't score on him in the post because Lebron really has no moves on the low block other than a fadeaway. And just about every time Butler crowded Lebron and forced him to go left it resulted in a bad miss.

The thing about it is that Butler didn't singlehandedly force Lebron to do anything. Look at the way the defense shifted every time Lebron got the ball. They didn't double him as soon as he got the ball, but once he made it past his primary defender they were ready. They switched to a zone every time. The only thing he could do was pass to an open man. That's the correct basketball play. Why force a contested jumper when you have a wise open 3pt shooter?