Hey LOKI, come defend your precious PER this time...

[eliteballer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...Performances-1

So Wade's 2006 Finals is the BEST performance of All-Time? Hell, I think MJ's 1991 performance and Shaq's 2000 performance are EASILY better just looking at the numbers.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

d-wade is a product made by the NBA. if you take away his free throws and numerous traveling spin moves. along with the traveling spin move, his slashing to the rim is traveling. wade has no defense, no outside shooting, no jump shot, and no leadership skills. wade is nothing!


MAVS should have won that Finals series..

[mhg88]

d-wade is a product made by the NBA. if you take away his free throws and numerous traveling spin moves. along with the traveling spin move, his slashing to the rim is traveling. wade has no defense, no outside shooting, no jump shot, and no leadership skills. wade is nothing!

No defense? Best blocking guard in the league. No jump shot? Midrange is money. No leadership? See 2006 playoffs. Wrong on all counts.

MAVS should have won that Finals series..

[eliteballer]

No defense? Best blocking guard in the league. No jump shot? Midrange is money. No leadership? See 2006 playoffs. Wrong on all counts.

His midrange is not money, dude shoots below 40% from mid-range per nba.com hotzones.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

No defense? Best blocking guard in the league. No jump shot? Midrange is money. No leadership? See 2006 playoffs. Wrong on all counts.

Miami fans defending their "NBA MADE UP HERO"...Awwww how cute...

If you take away D_WHISTLE calls..Players would be aggressive with him.

[Kris75]

Not very surprising to see Wade's performance at the top. Unlike others who had overall better numbers, he carried an underdog team in dire straights (down 0-2, down 13 pts in gm 3 with about 6min left) to victory.

His ECF performance against Detroit that year was amazing too. Through mid-way game 5 of the series, he was shooting over 70% (ended up shooting 62%) FG/FA in the first 5 games: 9/11, 11/20, 13/17, 8/11, 11/20

[Emile]

Wade is the shyt. Jordan could never match that level of performance. As the numbers obviously show you.
But anyway, it's easy to get out of this one. Weak era, weak ass defense, handchecking rule, questionable calls, whatever. You lose again, Eliteballer. When there's a will, there's a way.

[grimreaper1377]

Not very surprising to see Wade's performance at the top. Unlike others who had overall better numbers, the refs carried an underdog team in dire straights (down 0-2, down 13 pts in gm 3 with about 6min left) to victory.

Fixed.

[stephanieg]

It's true that Wade was given many questionable calls which resulted in free points but the guy still put up a historic performance. However, this doesn't change the fact that PER is garbage. I'm not sure why Loki (if he does) or anyone else would rely on it in a serious discussion.

[Tainted Sword]

Loki getting owned by per?

This is priceless!

[Killer_Instinct]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...Performances-1

So Wade's 2006 Finals is the BEST performance of All-Time? Hell, I think MJ's 1991 performance and Shaq's 2000 performance are EASILY better just looking at the numbers.

[Vendetta]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...Performances-1

So Wade's 2006 Finals is the BEST performance of All-Time? Hell, I think MJ's 1991 performance and Shaq's 2000 performance are EASILY better just looking at the numbers.

There are anomalies for every single statistic... but the fact that the rest of the top 10 is nothing but 3 other players (Shaq, Duncan and Jordan) that are all top 10 players from all time pretty much destroys your argument that PER means nothing. Besides that, PER becomes a much more effective means of performance measurement over a long stretch of time... not 7 games.

[Kobe24]

LOL. Loki is gonna avoid this thread. After all those months defending the PER, Hollinger gives him a big **** you.

[Loki]

There are anomalies for every single statistic... but the fact that the rest of the top 10 is nothing but 3 other players (Shaq, Duncan and Jordan) that are all top 10 players from all time pretty much destroys your argument that PER means nothing. Besides that, PER becomes a much more effective means of performance measurement over a long stretch of time... not 7 games.

Exactly.

Also, PER is based on league/player averages (in this case, presumably Finals averages for both teams). In Wade's case (and Duncan's in 2003), no one else dominated during those Finals, which would mean that their own dominance would be compared to only non-dominant players playing in the series. In Jordan's case in '91, both Magic and Pippen clearly outplayed any non-Wade and non-Duncan player in the '06 and '03 Finals. In other words, there wasn't the deviation from other players in the series that Wade and Duncan enjoyed because, well, there were better players playing in Jordan's series. This also explains how a 41/9/6/51% series from Jordan in '93 only measured a 27.6 in PER -- because Barkley averaged something like 27/14/53% that series (and Pip put up like 21/9/8). This is exactly what the case is, since 41/8.5/6.3/51% (Jordan's 1993 Finals averages) is well beyond Jordan's season averages that year in every category, yet he recorded a 29.7 PER that season and supposedly only a 27.6 PER during the Finals. That's because he had other players playing in those Finals (Barkley, Magic, Pippen in both '91 and '93) who played at a very high level while Wade and Duncan didn't.

Pretty easy to understand, actually. Basically, there was a greater deviation from Wade and the other players in the '06 Finals than there was between Jordan and other players in his best Finals because, well, there were better players having better series in those Finals.

[juju151111]

Wade is the shyt. Jordan could never match that level of performance. As the numbers obviously show you.
But anyway, it's easy to get out of this one. Weak era, weak ass defense, handchecking rule, questionable calls, whatever. You lose again, Eliteballer. When there's a will, there's a way.

Check the ft #S with him against MJ 91 performance.please don't talk crap.Also this is all time finals per.Which is 6 gms.On less u think wade is wayyyyyyyyy better then kb because he not even on the list.Exactly the #s dont lie dwade had the best overall finals ever followed by timmy then the GOAT.wait a sec where is the great kb ohh yeah i forget not a big time finals guy.