Lebron's first finals appearance

[allball]

All you who like to go on about this 2/5 business. Why, if you're being objective, are you counting this finals appearance AGAINST him? shouldn't it be seen as an accomplishment given his age and the roster he had to work with?

would he have been better to have lost in the ECF?

[Warfan]

Those people are just trolling or retarded, or probably a bit of both. I mean he didn't play well at all in the finals, but I think leading that team to the finals adds to his legacy. There aren't many other players that could do it...

[PJR]

When it comes to discussing LeBron, all logic, reason, and perspective goes out the window.

[uber]

When it comes to discussing LeBron, all logic, reason, and perspective goes out the window.

you can say this for both sides .. the stans and the haters

[PJR]

you can say this for both sides .. the stans and the haters

True. But it's far worse on one side than it is on the other. Far worse.

[fpliii]

All you who like to go on about this 2/5 business. Why, if you're being objective, are you counting this finals appearance AGAINST him? shouldn't it be seen as an accomplishment given his age and the roster he had to work with?

would he have been better to have lost in the ECF?

Nobody really counts it against him (and most probably don't count this year against him, 2010 and 2011 are obviously the big black eyes in his postseason career), but the 2/5 trolling by anti-LeBron posters is a reaction to all the hyping by pro-LeBron posters. If you're going to talk trash when things are going your way, you gotta expect to get it right back when they aren't going so well.

[tmacattack33]

Using Finals Wins-to-Finals Losses as some type of big stat to prove who better is actually a good filter for seeing which fans have terrible logic and aren't worth listening to.

[IllegalD]

Maybe because for 10+ years the media and LeBron Stans have been shoving the "LeBron next MJ" or even "BETTER than MJ, will leave him eating his dust" hype d*ck down our collective throats.

If he had won and 3-peated the board would be littered with "Is LeBron already unanimous GOAT?" "Will LeBron finish with 9 rings?" posts.

Blah blah blah.

So why shouldn't the opposite be true if he loses, and fails to live up to the great expectation/hype that the media and even he himself built up for the past decade-plus?

[tmacattack33]

Maybe because for 10+ years the media and LeBron Stans have been shoving the "LeBron next MJ" or even "BETTER than MJ, will leave him eating his dust" hype d*ck down our collective throats.

If he had won and 3-peated the board would be littered with "Is LeBron already unanimous GOAT?" "Will LeBron finish with 9 rings?"

Blah blah blah.

So why shouldn't the opposite be true if he loses, and fails to live up to the great expectation/hype that the media and even he himself built up for the past decade-plus?

Well that would be total ring count, not a Finals Wins-to-Finals Losses ratio. Which would be a whole different thing.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

2011 is his only failure in the Finals imo. Other than that, he did his part.

[IllegalD]

Well that would be total ring count, not a Finals Wins-to-Finals Losses ratio. Which would be a whole different thing.

It isn't a different thing. The standard/expectation that was set is Jordan. To a lesser extent Kobe. When Kobe lost ONE finals everybody pretty much said the "next Jordan" thing was dead. Let alone two finals losses. Let alone THREE. Are you kidding me?

You'd probably be one of the ones that'd be riding LeBron's "Unanimous GOAT" d*ck had he threepeated. Of course since he got herbed out in the worst fashion ever, here come the excuse makers acting like they weren't ready to give LeBron the crown before he even sat on the throne.

Its not just the finals losses themselves, its the WAY he lost them. You want to give him a pass for 07? Then you can't use the same season to praise him for carrying a "sh*tty team" to the Finals. Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical? Praise him as a GOAT for carrying a mediocre squad through a mediocre conference, but then use that as an excuse to not count the finals sweep against him? How convenient...

Even if you don't count 07 against him. There's still 2011, where all he had to do is be a good enough sidekick to Wade's Finals MVP performance to win, and he couldn't even do that. Then in 2014 he basically got blown out of all but 5 of the games.

[allball]

Maybe because for 10+ years the media and LeBron Stans have been shoving the "LeBron next MJ" or even "BETTER than MJ, will leave him eating his dust" hype d*ck down our collective throats.

If he had won and 3-peated the board would be littered with "Is LeBron already unanimous GOAT?" "Will LeBron finish with 9 rings?" posts.

Blah blah blah.

So why shouldn't the opposite be true if he loses, and fails to live up to the great expectation/hype that the media and even he himself built up for the past decade-plus?

what does that have to do with this one finals appearance?

[IllegalD]

what does that have to do with this one finals appearance?

Read my other post.

Cause a finals loss is a finals loss.

If you want to use 07 and his performance against the Pistons to prop him up, then you can't turn around and cry "booohoohooo UNFAIR" when he gets herbed out in the same playoff run when he reaches the finals.

[allball]

It isn't a different thing. The standard/expectation that was set is Jordan. To a lesser extent Kobe. When Kobe lost ONE finals everybody pretty much said the "next Jordan" thing was dead. Let alone two finals losses. Let alone THREE. Are you kidding me?

You'd probably be one of the ones that'd be riding LeBron's "Unanimous GOAT" d*ck had he threepeated. Of course since he got herbed out in the worst fashion ever, here come the excuse makers acting like they weren't ready to give LeBron the crown before he even sat on the throne.

Its not just the finals losses themselves, its the WAY he lost them. You want to give him a pass for 07? Then you can't use the same season to praise him for carrying a "sh*tty team" to the Finals. Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical? Praise him as a GOAT for carrying a mediocre squad through a mediocre conference, but then use that as an excuse to not count the finals sweep against him? How convenient...

Even if you don't count 07 against him. There's still 2011, where all he had to do is be a good enough sidekick to Wade's Finals MVP performance to win, and he couldn't even do that. Then in 2014 he basically got blown out of all but 5 of the games.

I see you on 2011 but 07 was a different story. he had no chance to win even if he played great and 2014 "he" got blown out?

[Sarcastic]

If he had won, wouldn't his backers be using it as a case for him?