Shaq & Kobe: First 3 Rounds 3-Peat Stats

[jacobgoindum]

NOTE: Shaq was better than Kobe in 2000-2002, and was the best player in the league, but people just dont give enough credit for Kobe's first 3 rings and act like he was a role player. These are the stats of the 1st round up to the Conference Finals from 2000-2002. Shaq is one of the greatest finals performers of Alltime and his finals numbers are incredible, but you need to get to the Finals first to win a championship, and the other 3 rounds matter too.

2000 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 22.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 4.4 APG, .464 FG%
Shaq - 28.2 PPG, 15.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .546 FG%

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

[HylianNightmare]

yeah all the shaq carrying kobe type comments are a little overblown

[ShaqAttack3234]

The 2000 scoring stats aren't correct for Shaq. His low series was 25.9 ppg vs Portland and in the other 2, he averaged 29.4 vs Sacramento and 30.2 vs Phoenix, respectively. Kobe was at 22.8 ppg through the first 3 rounds of 2000 as well.

But I agree, Kobe wasn't your typical number 2 at all. I rank him as a top 3 player in the league during '01 and '02, or at worst top 5, and the 2nd best player in the entire '01 playoffs.

2000 Kobe wasn't quite at that level yet, but around a top 10 player and his all around game at the time gets underrated by some. His on the ball defense was pretty much as good as any perimeter player that year, he had the scoring skills to probably average 25+ if he wanted to, but toned it down and fit well within the team concept. His length really seemed to bother point guards(who he often defended) and he committed himself fully to defense that season.

[SpecialQue]

But but but...Kobe was a scrub who got carried...

[Nevaeh]

But but but...Kobe was a scrub who got carried...

Well, why didn't he go ahead and post the Finals stats for Shaq and Kobe then? That's part of the Playoffs too right? I'm guessing that's where all of the heavy "carrying" for Shaq took place.

[EnoughSaid]

First 3 rounds of each 3 peat? How about you list the first 23 minutes of all the game 4's?

At the end of the day, Shaq: 3 FMVP's and Kobe: 0 FMVP's through that run.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Keeping it real, I haven’t been able to give Kobe credit (or the same credit) for LA's 2000-2002 championships as I've granted Shaq. Moreover, Shaq was the MDE in the league for those three seasons. Shaquille won an MVP during those three years, and IMO, was robbed another one. Additionally, Shaq was the NBA Finals MVP each time the Lakers made/won the Finals..and to boot, he was just about the only guy who showed up in the 2004 Finals.

As an outcome of those realities, it’s just too hard for me to say Bryant was the reason the Lakers won the title..or should get some sort of fifty-fifty credit. Of course he was a HUGE part of their winning, had a giant hand in it. At the end of the day, he just wasn't as dominant as Shaq. The numbers don't lie; however, the facts ALSO say that Kobe was possibly the greatest sidekick ever. IMHO, he shouldn’t even be considered a 'sidekick' (it’s irrational to do that to him).

[jacobgoindum]

The 2000 scoring stats aren't correct for Shaq. His low series was 25.9 ppg vs Portland and in the other 2, he averaged 29.4 vs Sacramento and 30.2 vs Phoenix, respectively. Kobe was at 22.8 ppg through the first 3 rounds of 2000 as well.

But I agree, Kobe wasn't your typical number 2 at all. I rank him as a top 3 player in the league during '01 and '02, or at worst top 5, and the 2nd best player in the entire '01 playoffs.

2000 Kobe wasn't quite at that level yet, but around a top 10 player and his all around game at the time gets underrated by some. His on the ball defense was pretty much as good as any perimeter player that year, he had the scoring skills to probably average 25+ if he wanted to, but toned it down and fit well within the team concept. His length really seemed to bother point guards(who he often defended) and he committed himself fully to defense that season.

my bad, I fixed Shaq's at 28.2 PPG, and fixed Kobe's too for '00

[SpecialQue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GXtOnRbNcmc

[shawbryant]

my bad I fixed Shaq's at 28.2 PPG, and fixed Kobe's

Guess who has more fans all over the world?

[jacobgoindum]

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Keeping it real, I haven

[jacobgoindum]

Guess who has more fans all over the world?

Kobe, but what does that have to do with anything?

[jacobgoindum]

First 3 rounds of each 3 peat? How about you list the first 23 minutes of all the game 4's?

At the end of the day, Shaq: 3 FMVP's and Kobe: 0 FMVP's through that run.

1st 3 rounds dont matter at all?
and did I say otherwise about Shaq? I said Shaq was the best player in the league in 2000-2002

[Deuce Bigalow]

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%

In the '01 Playoffs
Both players had 2 amazing back to back performances
Shaq - back to back 40/20 games (44/21 and 43/20 in game 1 and 2 of WCSF)
Kobe - back to back 45/10 games (48/16 and 45/10 in game 4 of WCSF and game 1 of WCF)

[32Dayz]

Kobe was Pippen to Shaq's Jordan.

I dont think anyone trys to detract from his importance to the team and they definitely wouldn't have won in 01 or 02 without him.

He was amazing in the 01 playoffs and had he not had a very sub-par game in G1 of the Finals they would have gone 16-0 that year which is just ridiculous.

G1 2001 Finalz Shaq : 44 / 20 / 5 | 61% shooting.
G1 2001 Finalz Kobe : 15 / 5 / 3 - 6Turnovers | 31% shooting.

The 2001 Lakers steam rolled and swept some really talented and stacked teams.

2001 Post Season PER
Shaquille Oneal : 28.7
Kobe Bryant : 25

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Here are the stats below from the Finalz.

2001 FMVP : Shaquille Oneal

2001 Finalz Stats
Shaquille Oneal : 33 / 16 / 5 / 3.5 BPG --- 57% FG
Kobe Bryant : 24 / 8 / 6 --- 41% FG