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Old 03-24-2011, 11:11 AM   #16
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

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Cause he is not the "greatest power forward of all time", Karl Malone is.
I thought i was alone in thinking this..
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:15 AM   #17
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Because it's harder to dominate the PF slot than the center?

Yao and Dwight were Shaq's biggest opponents during his twilight semi-prime years.

Mutumbo, Ewing, D Robinson, Hakeem ,Alonzo....

Blame Shaq for making 7' footers take jumpshots and rename themself PF. (Duncan-KG-DIRK-Rasheed-Gasol)

When all basketballs fans know they are real Centers.....The center position is not dead they were just hiding

Karl Malone 6'10 true PF

Tim Duncan 7'1 true Center

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Old 03-24-2011, 11:19 AM   #18
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Same as Bird and McHale. He wasn`t athletically gifred but slightly above average. Same as those players that wheren`t ahtletic, they tend to last lesser.

Barkley was donde by his 12 season because he had the same back problems as Bird and then he destroyed his knee while he was 28 lbs overweight according to Drexler.

Malone is better than Duncan in a fast pace game, same with Barkley but Barkley had both the Fast Paced and The Slow Paces, that makes him above both of them peek wise
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:22 AM   #19
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

I don't think it's a question of his falling off fast. It's more or less to me Pop changing the makeup of the team and Duncan accommodating that. He's more or less sharing the load with his team-mates more. Is he declining? Certainly. But he certainly hasn't fallen off. If he was getting Pau Gasol minutes he'd be putting up Pau Gasol numbers or better.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:28 AM   #20
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I don't think it's a question of his falling off fast. It's more or less to me Pop changing the makeup of the team and Duncan accommodating that. He's more or less sharing the load with his team-mates more. Is he declining? Certainly. But he certainly hasn't fallen off. If he was getting Pau Gasol minutes he'd be putting up Pau Gasol numbers or better.

sorry man but Tim Duncan is never sniffing 19 points on .540 shooting ever no matter what Pop does.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:29 AM   #21
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

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Because KG and TD are the only all time great Power Forwards.
Thanks for the tip. So who's better? You still haven't answered the question.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:40 AM   #22
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Fallen off? People just look at his stats and say because he isn't averaging 20/10 that he's fallen off. But people who actually watch the games know that Tim Duncan simply isn't pressured to do that anymore. The Spurs have an offensive system that shares the basketball. Tim Duncan doesn't need to have a 20/10 game for the Spurs to win, which says a lot about the team. The fact that they have the best record in the league proves this.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:03 PM   #23
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Fallen off? People just look at his stats and say because he isn't averaging 20/10 that he's fallen off. But people who actually watch the games know that Tim Duncan simply isn't pressured to do that anymore. The Spurs have an offensive system that shares the basketball. Tim Duncan doesn't need to have a 20/10 game for the Spurs to win, which says a lot about the team. The fact that they have the best record in the league proves this.

I agree on most parts but you have to admit that he has fallen off. That happens with age,he's still a good player,no doubt about it. All those injuries he had during the Spurs' title runs finally took a toll on him.

Currently he's like Robinson was during his last 3 years with the Spurs, he's taken a lesser role and let others step up. Robinson's last 3 seasons and Duncan's stats this season are very similar.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:31 PM   #24
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

5 less points and one less rebound and he's done as a player!

hardly.

duncan has had a number of dominant performances this season when his number has been called. he's just taken a lesser overall role in the offense where he sees less touches.

he's still one of the best big men in the league as far as converting on post up opportunities.

a sports illustrated article published this week stated that when duncan is on the floor the spurs defend only a smidgen worse than boston and chicago and when you factor in overall western conference offenses compared to the eastern conference the difference between SA's d and boston and chicago becomes negligible with timmy on the court.

everyone's comparing duncan to garnett this season and how garnett is still a player. you wanna talk about season averages? garnett has .7 of a point on duncan. same rebounding. duncan is averaging more blocks and assists in the fewest minutes of his career - in a role where he's primarily taken a back seat!

duncan also leads the league in block per foul. and it's not even close.

in the playoffs when the game slows down and we need to pound it down low i'm taking timmy over most of the stat stuffing big men ish posters drool over. give him 35-38 minutes per game and a few more touches in a playoff atmosphere and watch him put up the numbers you seem to need to validate him as a player.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:39 PM   #25
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

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Because it's harder to dominate the PF slot than the center?

Yao and Dwight were Shaq's biggest opponents during his twilight semi-prime years.

Duncan has played center for years now. And if anything, you'd expect less of a decline since Tim spent years matching up with smaller players and he definitely wasn't played as physically as Shaq.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:47 PM   #26
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Because Shaq has more size than Duncan and is underrated skill wise. I hate when people think Shaq was nothing more than an athletic freak.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:55 PM   #27
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Mutumbo, Ewing, D Robinson, Hakeem ,Alonzo....

Blame Shaq for making 7' footers take jumpshots and rename themself PF. (Duncan-KG-DIRK-Rasheed-Gasol)

When all basketballs fans know they are real Centers.....The center position is not dead they were just hiding

Karl Malone 6'10 true PF

Tim Duncan 7'1 true Center
Those guys you listed have all been predominately PFs all their careers. I think Dirk was a SF before he came to the NBA.

Back onto the topic. Duncan and Shaq are different people, meaning they have different body types. Some guys luck out and last longer. We all weren't made with the same characteristics.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:02 PM   #28
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

As someone else said, Shaq is a freak. He's the perfect big man. But yeah, I find it strange that TD has dropped considerably in terms of stats. Maybe having to deal with Shaq all those years had to do something with it
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:13 PM   #29
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Shaq is quite possibly the GOAT athlete in basketball, thats why
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:55 PM   #30
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Duncan decline in stats are attributed to a new offense that no longer goes through him.The Spurs have their best team of the Duncan era by a long shot;they have a lot of guys who can score,and Duncan turns 35 years old next month,so you cannot expect him to score 18-20 ppg during the regular season.

Also,Pop holds down the minutes of his key players because it is "money in the bank for playoff time." Guess what? The Spurs (57-14) have the best record in the league despite Duncan (28.3 MPG), Ginobili (30.8 MPG) and Parker (32.4MPG) all playing limited minutes.

Duncan's career-low minutes save him for NBA Playoffs...We still don't know how much Duncan has left in the tank.
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