"Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, plus he played on stacked teams"

[The Iron Fist]

"so he isn't all that great even if he has 5 rings".



Ok,


so what players should Kobe have to win a championship to get proper credit?

[N0Skillz]

"so he isn't all that great even if he has 5 rings".



Ok,


so what players should Kobe win a championship to get proper credit?

If he wins with 1 arm tied behind his back while he is balancing a banana on his nose, I might just count 1.

[Timmy D for MVP]

He has credit but you can't really compare him to others based soley on his championship count BECAUSE those first three he wasn't really that center piece.

Shaq was the guy.

So when comparing to... say MJ, who was the guy each time, it is tough to use just the numbers.

Not to take away from the fact that he won 5 championships as a key player! But yes, there is a bit of a difference.

[Micku]

Magic and Kareem had a stacked team in the 80s. Bird had a stacked team with the Celts. Jordan had a stacked team in the 90s. It didn't affect their legacy.

Kobe is a great player. But...I think people are hesitate to put Kobe over the rest of the greats because they feel he isn't good enough. Which I can see why sometimes.

[The Iron Fist]

He has credit but you can't really compare him to others based soley on his championship count BECAUSE those first three he wasn't really that center piece.

Shaq was the guy.

So when comparing to... say MJ, who was the guy each time, it is tough to use just the numbers.

Not to take away from the fact that he won 5 championships as a key player! But yes, there is a bit of a difference.

So, do you take away credit from Magic Johnson?

He played with the GOAT, and never won a ring when he retired.

[The Iron Fist]

Magic and Kareem had a stacked team in the 80s. Bird had a stacked team with the Celts. Jordan had a stacked team in the 90s. It didn't affect their legacy.

Kobe is a great player. But...I think people are hesitate to put Kobe over the rest of the greats because they feel he isn't good enough. Which I can see why sometimes.

I can see why too,

it comes down to some weird obsession with hating him.

My wife doesn't like Kobe for girly reasons,

"he has a peanut head and he thinks hes all that".


That attitude sums up the majority of his haters.

[Timmy D for MVP]

So, do you take away credit from Magic Johnson?

He played with the GOAT, and never won a ring when he retired.

Again it is not WHO you play with.

It is being "that guy" you know what I mean? It's extremely hard to quantify. And in truth can be very subjective at times.

Like this Heat team. If they win, what will the legacy be of these guys? Who will be considered that guy?

[ImmortalD24]

The OP is a baiting dumbass. Stop making threads.

Yes Kobe has had help. /thread


How can someone make a thread like this, after a game we just witnessed? Just does not make sense.. Go to bed clown.

[opps]

The OP is a baiting dumbass. Stop making threads.

Yes Kobe has had help. /thread


How can someone make a thread like this, after a game we just witnessed? Just does not make sense.. Go to bed clown.

You misunderstood what hes doing. Hes asking the haters who does Kobe have to win with to gain any respect from them.

[The Iron Fist]

Again it is not WHO you play with.

It is being "that guy" you know what I mean? It's extremely hard to quantify. And in truth can be very subjective at times.

Like this Heat team. If they win, what will the legacy be of these guys? Who will be considered that guy?

Well, obviously to some people it is as we see day after day,

"Kobe had Shaq and Gasol".

But if you want to take it your route,

Both Kobe and Shaq, were, "that guy". Just like Magic and Kareem, were, "that guy", and played on stacked teams as well. However, you don't see people ever, knocking Magics game, or resume despite playing alongside great players. You don't see people knocking Bird for playing alongside 3 other HOFers.

So, again, who should Kobe have played with to get proper credit?

[The Iron Fist]

You misunderstood what hes doing. Hes asking the haters who does Kobe have to win with to gain any respect from them.

I thought it was pretty obvious as I wrote it in plain english.

[OriginalNameGuy]

"so he isn't all that great even if he has 5 rings".



Ok,


so what players should Kobe win a championship to get proper credit?

he doesn't deserve credit because rings are a team accomplishment

and his performance in the Finals has always been sub-par compared to his regular season #s

[D.J.]

Every superstar needed help to win a ring. Michael Jordan didn't win sh*t until Scottie Pippen developed into the best perimeter defender in the league. Chamberlain didn't win a ring until he was 31. Kareem needed Oscar Robertson to win his ring in Milwaukee. No players wins titles by themselves. You want to bring Shaq into this? He didn't win a ring until Kobe developed into a rising star.

[AlphaWolf24]

He has credit but you can't really compare him to others based soley on his championship count BECAUSE those first three he wasn't really that center piece.

Shaq was the guy.

So when comparing to... say MJ, who was the guy each time, it is tough to use just the numbers.

Not to take away from the fact that he won 5 championships as a key player! But yes, there is a bit of a difference.

MJ = 5 losing seasons as the man.....


MJ had 3 biased MVP's I think....but Kobe is beasting at the main goal...winning

[The Iron Fist]

The OP is a baiting dumbass. Stop making threads.

Yes Kobe has had help. /thread


How can someone make a thread like this, after a game we just witnessed? Just does not make sense.. Go to bed clown.

So, go participate in other threads. I never asked you to come in, reply and bump my thread to the top.

Your stupid ass chose too.