Your top 5 most skilled players ever (only scoring/passing/ball-handling)?

[aj1987]

He's a great passer.
He's ok at every other "skill" by superstar standards.

He's career 28 PPG scorer. Over 11 seasons. He surpassed Bird in total points and played 50 fewer games than him. If this was '11 or earlier, you'd be sort of correct that LeBron is not a highly skilled scorer, but it's not. Don't be naive.

Also, for his size, he has damn good handles.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ive told him several times that mj led the team in apg for 3 of their titles. And that isnt even the 2nd dumbest thing about his post...

MJ lacked handles in the open court or transition? I could post 2x videos right now of him using his handle creatively to make either Nick Anderson completely fall, or breaking John Stark's ankles.

Couldn't run PG? His end to the '89 season put that to bed. 31 ppg 11 apg in the '91 Finals? Guy is a certified loon.

Also, for his size, he has damn good handles.

LeBron has good handles period. Not just for his size.

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron has good handles period. Not just for his size.

this

[GrapeApe]

No love for Jerry West? He averaged nearly 7 apg for his career to go along with his prolific scoring. He could do it all offensively.

[SamuraiSWISH]

this

Seriously. The underrating of Bron's bball skills continues. Does he have the insane footwork or mid range scoring ability of Jordan, and Kobe? No. But who really does?

But everything else is there in spades. People who just say he's a freak athlete w/o skills, or bball intelligence are disingenuous. LeBron has very good handles.

For his size? He's flat out great in that department. He had PG quality handle. That's just honesty. Durant, and McGrady are the only ones I've seen that height or taller who can compare.

[RRR3]

LeBron is very skilled. Lawl @ people still pretending he's not. He's a great ball handler, not flashy but he takes care of the ball well, he's unstoppable driving to the hoop at times, excellent finisher, he's a very good post player, superb passer with great court vision, and he's become a helluva shooter. Only weakness is mediocre free throw shooting and lack of aggressiveness at times IMO

[pauk]

Also, for his size, he has damn good handles.

For his size? Only Magic Johnson could compete.... Magic & Lebron unlike any other players their size and above had actually elite ballsecurity/ballcontrol, which allowed them to play PG/handle the ball entire games & orchestrate better than anybody their size, even at constant full court pressure entire game.... there is many who could do flashy dribbles at their size but handling is more about control/security.... its about keeping the dribble alive, safe & tight while slithering through the defense doing whatever you want entire game... THAT is handles....

[Nowitness]

For his size? Only Magic Johnson could compete.... Magic & Lebron unlike any other players their size and above had actually elite ballsecurity/ballcontrol, which allowed them to play PG/handle the ball entire games & orchestrate, even at constant full court pressure entire game.... there is many who could do flashy dribbles at their size but handling is more about control/security....

youre the most obvious stan on this board

dpoy7 every year. best handles ever after magic.

lebron was never dpoy worthy and hes not close to having the second best handles.

magic isnt even close to first

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[aj1987]

youre the most obvious stan on this board

dpoy7 every year. best handles ever after magic.

lebron was never dpoy worthy and hes not close to having the second best handles.

magic isnt even close to first

this kids knowledge =

'09, '10 and '12. He was also getting serious DPOY talk in '13.

[JohnFreeman]

[Nowitness]

'09, '10 and '12. He was also getting serious DPOY talk in '13.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2010.html

not even top 5

[fpliii]

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2010.html

not even top 5

To be fair, that's not real RAPM. It's a blend of RAPM (which comes from play-by-play) and box score stats.

Real RAPM can be found on these sites:

www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2014-rapm/
http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt.blogspot.com/
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/

Still not a legitimate DPOY candidate, but when using RAPM, it's better to cite the above sources.

[SamuraiSWISH]

not flashy

He can be flashy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snEoc9Q2cJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTTVwcJXC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74XTKtZ78E

[pauk]

youre the most obvious stan on this board

dpoy7 every year. best handles ever after magic.

lebron was never dpoy worthy and hes not close to having the second best handles.

magic isnt even close to first

this kids knowledge =

You are confusing me... did you actually read what i said?

[aj1987]

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2010.html

not even top 5

Kevin Durant is rated higher than Wade and KD sucked ass in '10 (defensively). CP3 is NOT a negative on the defensive end. Kobe with 0.4 and Odom with 4.0. Haywood was a better defender than LeBron? Josh Smith above Kobe and equal to Timmy.

Great stat, bro.