2001 Kobe maybe most underrated season ever

[moe94]

Peak Arenas

[sammichoffate]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS

*Cough statwhore *cough

[Akrazotile]

Peak Arenas

Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

[allball]

because of his point totals???

bro, gilbert arenas could have done what kobe did if he was healthy long enough. taking a bunch of shots to score 28 points on so-so efficiency is not what makes you a good basketball player.

The league average shooting percentage is 46%. Kobe shoots 46%. The Denver Nuggets could achieve as a team with a bunch of role players what a team with Kobe taking all the shots does, if all other parts are equal. Luckily for Kobrick, he's had the most dominant frontcourts in the game to carry him to titles.

Deal with it.

it's not about who could do it or speculation. it's about who DID do it. deal with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWdsVQN_BE

[DonDadda59]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS

Agent 0 that season = the most feared being in the Galaxy.

[moe94]

Agent 0 that season = the most feared being in the Galaxy.

Those pull up 3s like it was no thang

[Warfan]

it's not about who could do it or speculation. it's about who DID do it. deal with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWdsVQN_BE

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqoXUBfDy1g

=peak Melo

[allball]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqoXUBfDy1g

=peak Melo

you brought out the big guns. the ones with my Kings hurts.

[Akrazotile]

Those pull up 3s like it was no thang

34-5-5 in the playoffs too with a first round boot. Basically the same result you get when Kobe is 'the man'.


Ohh, but Kobe is top 10 and Dilbert is like 126 because kobe has teh 5 rings doeee

[ThePhantomCreep]

Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

I'm convinced you're the biggest idiot on this board, and that's saying a lot given all the so-called box-score experts we have running around here. You've probably never held a basketball in your life.

LeBron's and his pretty FG% are about to get trounced in the Finals (again) and you still have the nerve to trot out the "FG% is the only stat that matters" argument? Kobe has a handful of rings yet CP3, who still hasn't gotten out of the second round on a loaded roster, is still better? Pau Gasol couldn't win a playoff game before teaming with Kobe. But yeah, he's better. FG% is all that matters! Idiot.

[Milbuck]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS

Lebron James 2007: 27 points, 55% TS, 51 eFG%, 29 AST%, 13.7 WS

Arenas > Lebron?

EDIT: Also, Arenas never in his career had a 55 eFG%...he peaked at 51.

[allball]

Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

okay

[AlphaWolf24]

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mmm.....were you even following basketball in 2001....

were you in Cali....Kobe was the 2nd coming of MJ and probably the NBA's most popular player next to AI.



nearly every non biased fan understood Kobe was the leagues most explosive player and possibly the best all around.

even after the WCFinals.....Both Snaq and Phil called Kobe the leagues best player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_CuS2KCz4#t=368 ( around 6:30 sec)


Jesus Kobe Haters are a sad lot.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points.... 55 TS%, 48 eFG%, 11.3 WS

Ray Allen 2001: 22 points... 61 TS%, 55.7 eFG%, 13.7 WS


If Ray wanted to chuck he could have easily achieved Kobe's numbers on the same percentage. Ray would have been an even better compliment to Shaq and probably would have won more rings. Kobe probably would have failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round a bunch of times on Ray's Bucks


Just because Kobe is history's worst ballhog doesn't mean he's doing things other NBA players can't. There are just other guys in the league smart enough to know that if you're playing with prime Shaq, why would you have a 31.8% usage rate

Why stop at WS? What about their PER, ORTG or even their WS/48? The more information the better

[BlackVVaves]

averaged 28.5 PPG to Shaq's 28.7 in the regular season and averaged 29.4 to Shaq's 30.4 in the playoffs. Kobe was 22 years old at the time which makes it most impressive. Shaq was 28. and keep in mind Shaq is a center in his prime vs Kobe as a wing/guard.

the way I remember it is that Kobe was arguably the most feared player in the league for the 01 and 02 seasons. maybe somebody remembers different but when people refer to him as being a second banana to me that's a bit misleading.

Was with you until there

Kobe, even at his height in 2006-2008, was never feared more than 2000-2002 Shaq, let alone pre-peak Kobe in 2001, 2002.

You either didn't watch much basketball back then, or are a less confrontational Kobe stan. Either way, it's revisionist history.

But yeah. 2001 Kobe, both offensively and defensively, was really ****ing good. He brought an overall impact to the game that was profound. If only he sustained that commitment to defensive superiority over his entire career....